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ryan constantine wrote:
> i was under the impression that the server had been donated.
The server is the private property of one of the POV-Team members.
> maybe not huh?
Nope.
> so how many IRTC cdroms are sold?
No information available.
> and what are the operating costs it pays for?
Bandwidth ! This povray.org server handles the traffic at povray.org,
news.povray.org, the IRTC competition, the TAG home page, the Texture
library, once upon a time a quake server, and possibly other resources
I am forgetting. The server is co-located at company which is a for
profit business that charges its customers for the bandwidth they
consume. For this co-located server the bandwidth is considerable and
the machine takes a beating. Occassionaly the hardward is upgraded
due to failures which are additional costs. All software for the
server is licenced and occassional upgrades to the software cost
additional licensing fees.
> i thought all of pov was simply enthusiast contribution of time
> and so forth.
It is that, but you can't expect the POV-Team to do so out of thier
own not-so-deep pockets. I have never been told what the operating
costs are for all of this, and consider it none of my business, but
I suspect that they are not cheap. I consider the sales of the IRTC
CD's a viable method of funding these resources and anyone who
really wants to help the cause can do so by purshasing one. It has
been discussed before but the POV-Team will not accept direct
donations.
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Ken Tyler - 1400+ POV-Ray, Graphics, 3D Rendering, and Raytracing Links:
http://home.pacbell.net/tylereng/index.html http://www.povray.org/links/
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"Ken" <tyl### [at] pacbell net> wrote in message
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I have all 3 anyway.
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| profit business that charges its customers for the bandwidth they consume.
www.ntplx.net , as the button at the main www.povray.org page shows, Andrew
Lindh is president of Netplex. Hope that's not classified info (j/k).
However I don't know who the person is connected with POV-Ray that runs the
site itself. Anyway, if I'm right in following what Ken says, then there
might be a $400 per month fee involved:
http://www.ntplx.net/services/corporate.colocation.html
Bob
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thanks for the info. what if files that were to be cancelled were given
the chance to be put elsewhere by pov users before they get cancelled?
or maybe, someone out there already grabs threads they think are worth
keeping? my concern is that some of the most valuable information and
examples are being lost by cancelling them. i understand the need to
free up space, but just tossing stuff out doesn't seem like the 'best'
solution. there are a lot of free hard drive things on the internet.
maybe an image and its replies could be zipped and placed in one or more
of these drive sites? i'm just throwing ideas out, so if anyone has
better ideas, i'm all ears.
Ken wrote:
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> ryan constantine wrote:
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> > i was under the impression that the server had been donated.
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> The server is the private property of one of the POV-Team members.
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> > maybe not huh?
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> Nope.
>
> > so how many IRTC cdroms are sold?
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> No information available.
>
> > and what are the operating costs it pays for?
>
> Bandwidth ! This povray.org server handles the traffic at povray.org,
> news.povray.org, the IRTC competition, the TAG home page, the Texture
> library, once upon a time a quake server, and possibly other resources
> I am forgetting. The server is co-located at company which is a for
> profit business that charges its customers for the bandwidth they
> consume. For this co-located server the bandwidth is considerable and
> the machine takes a beating. Occassionaly the hardward is upgraded
> due to failures which are additional costs. All software for the
> server is licenced and occassional upgrades to the software cost
> additional licensing fees.
>
> > i thought all of pov was simply enthusiast contribution of time
> > and so forth.
>
> It is that, but you can't expect the POV-Team to do so out of thier
> own not-so-deep pockets. I have never been told what the operating
> costs are for all of this, and consider it none of my business, but
> I suspect that they are not cheap. I consider the sales of the IRTC
> CD's a viable method of funding these resources and anyone who
> really wants to help the cause can do so by purshasing one. It has
> been discussed before but the POV-Team will not accept direct
> donations.
>
> --
> Ken Tyler - 1400+ POV-Ray, Graphics, 3D Rendering, and Raytracing Links:
> http://home.pacbell.net/tylereng/index.html http://www.povray.org/links/
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ryan constantine wrote:
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> my concern is that some of the most valuable information and
> examples are being lost by cancelling them.
Hopefully not. This is why I keep insisting that people use the groups
correctly. This group is for showing images and receiving comments.
If you post code for your scene then it should be moved to one of the
*.scene-files groups. Discussions about features should be taken to
.general, .advanced-users, or .new-users. I have lobbied hard to get
the admin. not to remove material posted to those groups so that those
resources would not be lost. I know you lose the reference image but
the code is there for you to render yourself. Perhaps not a perfect
solution but the best we have to offer at the present time.
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Ken Tyler - 1400+ POV-Ray, Graphics, 3D Rendering, and Raytracing Links:
http://home.pacbell.net/tylereng/index.html http://www.povray.org/links/
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I have made a macro that makes trip-lets. It's really simple, and I doubt
anyone would actually use it, but it's my first macro, so I put it up on a web
page. Check out http://www.mindspring.com/~jacksonmead for the stuff. The
font needs some work, but I was more interested in the macro part. I had to
leave a little bit on the edges of the block, otherwise some letter
combinations had letters taking chunks out of each other (the z-axis letter
interfering with the y-axis letter, for example). I may diddle around with it
some more, or I may move on to more interesting stuff. I'd love to see any
other attempts at this or improvements on my attempt.
Kevin Jackson-Mead
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On Wed, 16 Aug 2000 02:22:19 -0700 ryan constantine
<rco### [at] yahoocom> wrote:
>i was under the impression that the server had been donated. maybe not
>huh? so how many IRTC cdroms are sold? and what are the operating
>costs it pays for? i thought all of pov was simply enthusiast
>contribution of time and so forth.
Hi, Ryan (and everyone else). Please see message "IRTC CDROM's and
supporting this site [14-June-1999]" in the announcement group.
The POV-Team has decided that sales of the IRTC CD-ROMs is the best
overall solution, as well as the simplest. It provides a nice archive
for those who appreciate the IRTC and POV-Ray, as well as generating
some form of income to help offset the costs of maintaining this server.
In general, we feel that people are more likely to make a one-time
purchase of these annually-released, low-priced CD-ROMs than to commit
to something long term like becoming a CompuServe member, which would
have supported these operations several years ago. We'd also like to
avoid, for lack of a better term, the 'beg-athon' when we need to
upgrade some hardware on the server machine. Because small contributions
may be mailed from just about anywhere in the world, a fee will likely
have to be paid to a bank to convert to local currency. Way too much
trouble and takes too long when a failing drive needs to be replaced
like *right now*.
Please order your IRTC CD-ROMs, folks. This how you can help support
this server in the long term. I've purchased all three available IRTC
CD-ROMs <hint, hint>. Thank you for your support :)
http://www.aussie.org/products/
(follow-ups to povray.general, please)
--
Alan - ako### [at] povrayorg - a k o n g <at> p o v r a y <dot> o r g
http://www.povray.org - Home of the Persistence of Vision Ray Tracer
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"Peter Popov" <pet### [at] usanet> wrote in message
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> Kevin,
> this is an awesome start! I remember that back then
> when Eric Freeman posted about a million pictures
> exploring this concept, I couldln't for the life of me do
> one of these. I am not sure I can now either. If
> somebody cares to explain, though...
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> I think you should definitely look for Eric's stuff, I
> remember him doing a few with Gothic-style letters
> (which should be quite hard, right?)
I, too, was inspired by G.E.B. The problem with making a macro is that not
all 3 letter combinations can be carved out of a block. I discovered this
while trying to do my wife's initials (CFF). Any two letters can be done,
though. The gothic-lettered ones, as I recall (lost the code in a hard
drive crash) were made with a union of two paper-thin text objects, one
rotated.
Eric
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"I don't like it, and I'm sorry I ever had anything to do with it."
- Erwin Schrodinger talking about Quantum Mechanics.
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"Eric Freeman" <eri### [at] datasynccom> wrote in message
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> The gothic-lettered ones, as I recall (lost the code
> in a hard drive crash) were made with a union of
> two paper-thin text objects, one rotated.
I mean 3 paper-thin text objects, two rotated.
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I just found the code for the image (sorry about not putting the file size
in the subject). I re-did it in MegaPOV. You'll find it in
.binaries.scene-files.
Eric
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"I don't like it, and I'm sorry I ever had anything to do with it."
- Erwin Schrodinger talking about Quantum Mechanics.
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(Does anyone besides me read year-old posts?)
It occurs to me that this thing might look even better if it could
somehow be done as blobs with parametric sheets for cores. (The sphere
has a point for a core, and the cylinder component has a line segment.)
But I'd want the blob components not to add where the strokes of the `A'
meet.
Yet another idea for a patch that I'll write any century now!
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Anton Sherwood -- http://www.ogre.nu/ (online again, Nov.19)
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