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Ken schrieb in Nachricht <36E3D079.BA21A4BE@pacbell.net>...
>Rudy Velthuis wrote:
>>
>> Alex Magidow schrieb in Nachricht <36E342FE.D8753097@mninter.net>...
>> >Dearmad wrote:
>> [...]
>> >> At any rate- hand attaching it isn't a problem except that the file is
>> >> thousands of lines long and I need to generate hundreds of these
things
>> >> and yes, *I'M LAZY!*.
>>
>> >Lazy? Lazy? Just the thought of doing this stuff makes the sweat break
out
>> >on my brow.
>>
>> And modellers were made to make this kind of stuff unnnecessary,
otherwise
>> we could just as well hand code everything, not using Moray at all <g>.
>>
>> --
>> Rudy Velthuis
>
> You mean to tell me that Moray is a modelling program and not just a
>friendly guy that helps everybody with their scenes ? I think I missed
>that connection somewhere along the line. I always thought that hand
>coding was the only option available. Gee !
Dunno exactly how to answer this.
What I was trying to say, you don't have to be *lazy* to expect a modeller
to output exactly what you (tried) to input. I think a modeller like Moray
should really keep the light sources in the group, if you can group them
anyway. What's the use of grouping otherwise? So it should either not allow
to group them in, or really keep them there.
But then perhaps I just didn't understand your answer. :-)
BTW Moray is also a kind of fish, afaik.
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Hi Dearmad, you recently wrote in moray.win:
> I want the light to be *included* in the object declaration JUST as I
> have placed it in the modeller- I want it actually attached! grrrrr....
The current build still extracts the lights to the beginning of the
script. The reason is partly historic (the raytracer I started writing
Moray for needed them seperate from the objects) and partly because
POV-Ray doesn't handle spotlight in non-uniform scaled groups
correctly and it was too much of a headache to account for this with
the wireframe. I realize that not many people will run into this
problem, so I will see if I can leave the lights in the CSG in the
next release (hopefully this year).
- Lutz
email : lut### [at] stmuc com
Web : http://www.stmuc.com/moray
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Hey, sorry, I was just expressing respect for a very nice member of the POV-Ray
community. I, personally, upon running into a problem of similar complexity,
given up pretty quickly, and not persevered quite as much as Dearmad did. I give
him my complete respect, and I also give Moray my complete respect.
Rudy Velthuis wrote:
> BTW Moray is also a kind of fish, afaik.
Actually, an eel...or a social no-no....
--
Only I can prevent narcissism!
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You know... I can never start a thread when I want to... and now... :o)
Seriously, Lutz puts out a dman fine program- it's just that he's the
unwitting victim of me using MORAY as a keyframe generator for my
Tweener program, which needs to parse the scripted output (as I have no
access to the .MDL format) and so I NEED, I say I *NEED* to have
CONSISTENCY (sp) in the data so my Tweener program knows where to grab
digits from and how to place them in the heirarchy. I just noticed that
a light wasn't tracking correctly in a little scene I made and then I
realized *why*. I have yet to attach anything to the *camera* heaven
forbid and won't bother doing that! ;o)
I've been able to program around a LOT of the little oddities MORAY does
when it outputs scriptfiles but this one was too much for me to think of
a way to let my program figure out where to replace the light so it
tracked correctly in a particularly nasty CSG set that goes about 7
levels deep (due to joint needing to bend a certain way).
-er- my only little point here is that my "Lazy" paragraph was more a
bow or a nod to Lutz' hard work. From my perspective as an amateur
programmer I can only imagine the details Lutz must go through for moray
and I wanted him to realize that I wasn't coming across as a whiney
user- I've reg'ed v2.02 DOS and am "upgrading" to v2.5 in a bit, so I'm
behind the times with MORAY anyway! :o)
-Peter
Alex Magidow wrote:
>
> Hey, sorry, I was just expressing respect for a very nice member of the POV-Ray
> community. I, personally, upon running into a problem of similar complexity,
> given up pretty quickly, and not persevered quite as much as Dearmad did. I give
> him my complete respect, and I also give Moray my complete respect.
>
> Rudy Velthuis wrote:
>
> > BTW Moray is also a kind of fish, afaik.
>
> Actually, an eel...or a social no-no....
>
> --
> Only I can prevent narcissism!
--
Stuff for POLYRAY, some raytraced images, and
DTA can be found at:
http://www.europa.ccom/~dearmad
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Lutz Kretzschmar wrote:
>
> Hi Dearmad, you recently wrote in moray.win:
>
> > I want the light to be *included* in the object declaration JUST as I
> > have placed it in the modeller- I want it actually attached! grrrrr....
> The current build still extracts the lights to the beginning of the
> script. The reason is partly historic (the raytracer I started writing
> Moray for needed them seperate from the objects) and partly because
> POV-Ray doesn't handle spotlight in non-uniform scaled groups
> correctly and it was too much of a headache to account for this with
> the wireframe. I realize that not many people will run into this
> problem, so I will see if I can leave the lights in the CSG in the
> next release (hopefully this year).
hehe... and after that version has been out for a year or so I'll get
around to using it... I'm just about ready to upgrade my v2.02 to 2.5
here soon... ;o)
thanks a ton for all the other stuff you're doin'.
>
> - Lutz
> email : lut### [at] stmuccom
> Web : http://www.stmuc.com/moray
--
Stuff for POLYRAY, some raytraced images, and
DTA can be found at:
http://www.europa.ccom/~dearmad
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Hi Dearmad, you recently wrote in moray.win:
Thanks for the kind words. Much appreciated.
> I've been able to program around a LOT of the little oddities MORAY does
> when it outputs scriptfiles but this one was too much for me to think of
> a way to let my program figure out where to replace the light so it
> tracked correctly in a particularly nasty CSG set that goes about 7
> levels deep (due to joint needing to bend a certain way).
Yes, and there is no way round it, because the information just where
that light is located in the object hierarchy is not exported.
Now if you were using the plugin interface added in Moray V3.1 you'd
be able to completely integrate Tweener into Moray......<g>
- Lutz
email : lut### [at] stmuccom
Web : http://www.stmuc.com/moray
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Alex Magidow schrieb in Nachricht <36E4A45C.28B04120@mninter.net>...
>Hey, sorry, I was just expressing respect for a very nice member of the
POV-Ray
>community. I, personally, upon running into a problem of similar
complexity,
>given up pretty quickly, and not persevered quite as much as Dearmad did. I
give
>him my complete respect, and I also give Moray my complete respect.
Hmmm, I seem to be understood wrong again. I was not criticising anyone and
I didn't feel I was being criticised by you either. Sorry if I gave anyone
that expression. I was just a bit puzzled by Ken's reply.
And I agree with you, that modellers are there to relieve us from the task
of hand-coding. I am a registered user of Moray 3.1 (although time has
prevented me from using it extensively), and I think it's a great program,
but I still don't understand the reasoning for some inconsistencies, like Z
being the up vector, and grouped light sources being de-grouped without
notice, etc. Propably they are historical reasons, mainly.
Lutz gave the reason for the degrouping of light sources, but still I'm a
bit puzzled by some aspects of the program. Maybe it's just me.
--
Rudy Velthuis
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Rudy Velthuis wrote:
> Hmmm, I seem to be understood wrong again. I was not criticising anyone and
> I didn't feel I was being criticised by you either. Sorry if I gave anyone
> that expression. I was just a bit puzzled by Ken's reply.
Ken apologizes. He was trying to be off topically funny but
failed to somehow convey this in his juvenile attempt at humour.
Ken is a bad boy and I can assure you is in serious trouble now .
I will see to it that he punished severely for his crime and make
him promise to behave himself from now on.
--
Ken Tyler
mailto://tylereng@pacbell.net
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Ken schrieb in Nachricht <36E5128B.3FA05DFF@pacbell.net>...
>Rudy Velthuis wrote:
>
>> Hmmm, I seem to be understood wrong again. I was not criticising anyone
and
>> I didn't feel I was being criticised by you either. Sorry if I gave
anyone
>> that expression. I was just a bit puzzled by Ken's reply.
>
> Ken apologizes. He was trying to be off topically funny but
> failed to somehow convey this in his juvenile attempt at humour.
> Ken is a bad boy and I can assure you is in serious trouble now .
> I will see to it that he punished severely for his crime and make
> him promise to behave himself from now on.
Heheh. It would have even been funnier if you had signed it: -- My Mother
:-)
--
Rudy Velthuis
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Lutz Kretzschmar wrote:
>
> Hi Dearmad, you recently wrote in moray.win:
>
> Thanks for the kind words. Much appreciated.
>
> > I've been able to program around a LOT of the little oddities MORAY does
> > when it outputs scriptfiles but this one was too much for me to think of
> > a way to let my program figure out where to replace the light so it
> > tracked correctly in a particularly nasty CSG set that goes about 7
> > levels deep (due to joint needing to bend a certain way).
> Yes, and there is no way round it, because the information just where
> that light is located in the object hierarchy is not exported.
>
> Now if you were using the plugin interface added in Moray V3.1 you'd
> be able to completely integrate Tweener into Moray......<g>
you know...? this might be something to consider -dionnnnngggggggg-
<bells going off>
hm... well I'm committed to finishing my little cartoon project and
nearing the halfway point, but when thta's over I was looking for an
excuse to do some more programming... and that might be a tres cool
thing to do... :o)
>
> - Lutz
> email : lut### [at] stmuccom
> Web : http://www.stmuc.com/moray
--
Stuff for POLYRAY, some raytraced images, and
DTA can be found at:
http://www.europa.ccom/~dearmad
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