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Op 01/10/2020 om 22:10 schreef Kenneth:
> "Bill Pragnell" <bil### [at] hotmail com> wrote:
>> Thomas de Groot <tho### [at] degrootorg> wrote:
>>> Believe it or not, at this moment I have a collection
>>> of tricks and such from 241 individual users! Many with more than one
>>> trick. :-)
>>
>> That would be a very interesting read, if presented in a single document... ;)
>
> I 2nd that; Thomas may have the best collection of tips and tricks that exists,
> judging from his always-nice renders and comments!
>
> I used to have such a collection-- far less in number than Thomas's-- but it was
> on an older hard drive that failed, and I haven't yet found my back-up copy (if
> indeed I made one.) :-( I have a tendency to write detailed notes and tips IN
> my scenes, so at least I have those to refer to...but they are usually
> scene-specific, not general.
>
Naaahh.... putting me under duress, are you? ;-)
As a matter of facts, I have been playing for a long time with the idea
of "publishing" all that stuff some way or another. I am aware that when
I shall come to disappear, all that stuff will be "lost". I need to do
something about it, if only because I feel an obligation to the
community who provided me with it. Additionally, I may discover use for
the many items I never included in my scenes. A majority most probably.
You have got my attention gentlemen.
--
Thomas
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Thomas de Groot <tho### [at] degrootorg> wrote:
I have been playing for a long time with the idea
> of "publishing" all that stuff some way or another. I am aware that when
> I shall come to disappear, all that stuff will be "lost". I need to do
> something about it, if only because I feel an obligation to the
> community who provided me with it. Additionally, I may discover use for
> the many items I never included in my scenes. A majority most probably.
>
> You have got my attention gentlemen.
I'd say that a good step 1 would be to get everything into one folder and make
an index file with all of the filenames (with an eye toward making it HTML).
Then you can start with the minimum needed to make it "useable" - under each
filename, you can put author, date/version, link to original post if you know
it, and any notes or comments that you might have. Mention scenes that you've
used it in. Perhaps while you're doing this, think of a grouping scheme or tags
for the files: plants, buildings, people, clouds, water....
That way you can sort of skim through it and hit the highlights, which are
likely the most interesting/useful items in the collection.
That sets it up for posting to a file hosting site, and folks can download it,
look it over, and discuss some of the files - then it kinda takes on a life of
its own and people can find missing information, divine the purpose of code that
you're not sure of, catch bugs, make edits for clarity and efficiency, etc.
Many hands make light work.
Many things might be a wonderful addition to the Insert Menu.
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Am 28.09.2020 um 12:19 schrieb jr:
> hi,
>
> Thomas de Groot <tho### [at] degrootorg> wrote:
>> ... thinking about a background landscape. ...
>
> fully agree with PG regarding landscape and colours. not too far off views seen
> in the Eifel. lovely.
>
>
> regards, jr.
>
What part of the Eifel do you have in your mind? I admit that I never
visited the western parts (high fens) but only the High Eifel, the
Volcanic Eifel, Mayen and the Maria Laach Abbey and very often the
valley of the Ahr where my wife is born at the village Rech. But in all
the now 40 years I visit the Eifel I never noticed this kind of
landscape there.
@Thomas: A very interessting approach in using billboards trees. May be
there are some litte technical difficulties (the missing shadows of the
stems), which can be solved. But the generell idea is great.
For my actuall scene I played with the trial version of Xfrog and
generated different plant models where you dont need a Billboard fake. I
tried to get a licence (the actual sale-offer of 99 US-Bucks is really a
bargain for this elobarated software) but have not received a license
code so far after more than a week of payment. So may be I have to
cancel this order and be content with my models of Pinus pinaster, typha
latifolia, a rottenn version of their tutorial to Solidago canadensis
and the common broom I modelled during the trial periode.
Best regards
Michael
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Op 02/10/2020 om 18:10 schreef MichaelJF:
> @Thomas: A very interessting approach in using billboards trees. May be
> there are some litte technical difficulties (the missing shadows of the
> stems), which can be solved. But the generell idea is great.
I don't remember where I got the idea; it certainly was not an original
one ;-) I have used it now in a number of scenes, also with a gradation
to "real" trees more in the foreground. The shadow problem with the Sun
more on edge to the billboards came along rather naturally and the
solution was almost obvious.
>
> For my actuall scene I played with the trial version of Xfrog and
> generated different plant models where you dont need a Billboard fake. I
> tried to get a licence (the actual sale-offer of 99 US-Bucks is really a
> bargain for this elobarated software) but have not received a license
> code so far after more than a week of payment. So may be I have to
> cancel this order and be content with my models of Pinus pinaster, typha
> latifolia, a rottenn version of their tutorial to Solidago canadensis
> and the common broom I modelled during the trial periode.
>
Xfrog is considered one of the top plant-generating software. I have not
considered (yet) to buy it. My need is not that great. However, before
cancelling, have you tried to contact them?
--
Thomas
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Op 02/10/2020 om 01:57 schreef Jim Henderson:
> On Wed, 30 Sep 2020 08:46:20 +0200, Thomas de Groot wrote:
>
>> Op 29/09/2020 om 17:56 schreef Jim Henderson:
>>> Really nice - I love the clouds in particular. :)
>>>
>>>
>> Thanks Jim. Those clouds seem to appeal to a majority it seems ;-) I
>> guess this is partly because they are almost at eye level which makes
>> them more dramatic.
>
> Possibly - for me, it's also the texture itself, it just feels like a
> cloud. :)
All praise should go to Mick who put them together in the first place
(in 2004).
>
>> I failed to mention earlier that the high, thin, clouds in the sky were
>> produced by Zeger Knaepen's FastClouds macro. Some dramatic lighting
>> effect /under/ the clouds is the result of just two properly adjusted
>> fog codes...
>
> Very nice.
>
There is a further trick concerning media clouds that I am willing to
share ;-)
I (almost) always use CIE.inc, part of the Lightsys IV family of macros
provided by Jaime Vives Piqueres. I almost always increase the intensity
of the Sunlight by a couple of factors. A consequence of this is that
media clouds may come out too overexposed as it were. A ready solution
to this problem is to put a copy of the Sun, with lower intensity,
together with the clouds media, in a separate light_group{}. See:
http://wiki.povray.org/content/Reference:Light_Group
--
Thomas
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hi,
"Bald Eagle" <cre### [at] netscapenet> wrote:
> Thomas de Groot <tho### [at] degrootorg> wrote:
> I have been playing for a long time with the idea
> > of "publishing" all that stuff some way or another. I am aware that when
> > I shall come to disappear, all that stuff will be "lost". I need to do
> > something about it, if only because I feel an obligation to the
> > community who provided me with it. Additionally, I may discover use for
> > the many items I never included in my scenes. A majority most probably.
> >
> > You have got my attention gentlemen.
>
> I'd say that a good step 1 would be to get everything into one folder and make
> an index file with all of the filenames (with an eye toward making it HTML).
>
> Then you can start with the minimum needed to make it "useable" - under each
> filename, you can put author, date/version, link to original post if you know
> it, and any notes or comments that you might have. Mention scenes that you've
> used it in. Perhaps while you're doing this, think of a grouping scheme or tags
> for the files: plants, buildings, people, clouds, water....
>
> That way you can sort of skim through it and hit the highlights, which are
> likely the most interesting/useful items in the collection.
>
> That sets it up for posting to a file hosting site, and folks can download it,
> ...
minor quibble. I think the wiki a better place. (or at least in addition to)
regards, jr.
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hi,
MichaelJF <mi-### [at] t-onlinede> wrote:
> Am 28.09.2020 um 12:19 schrieb jr:
> > Thomas de Groot <tho### [at] degrootorg> wrote:
> >> ... thinking about a background landscape. ...
> > fully agree with PG regarding landscape and colours. not too far off views seen
> > in the Eifel. lovely.
> >
> What part of the Eifel do you have in your mind? I admit that I never
> visited the western parts (high fens) but only the High Eifel, the
> Volcanic Eifel, Mayen and the Maria Laach Abbey and very often the
> valley of the Ahr where my wife is born at the village Rech. But in all
> the now 40 years I visit the Eifel I never noticed this kind of
> landscape there.
funnily enough, from admittedly v dim memories (40+ years), I was thinking of
regards, jr.
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Am 03.10.2020 um 11:19 schrieb jr:
> hi,
>
> MichaelJF <mi-### [at] t-onlinede> wrote:
>> Am 28.09.2020 um 12:19 schrieb jr:
>>> Thomas de Groot <tho### [at] degrootorg> wrote:
>>>> ... thinking about a background landscape. ...
>>> fully agree with PG regarding landscape and colours. not too far off views seen
>>> in the Eifel. lovely.
>>>
>> What part of the Eifel do you have in your mind? I admit that I never
>> visited the western parts (high fens) but only the High Eifel, the
>> Volcanic Eifel, Mayen and the Maria Laach Abbey and very often the
>> valley of the Ahr where my wife is born at the village Rech. But in all
>> the now 40 years I visit the Eifel I never noticed this kind of
>> landscape there.
>
> funnily enough, from admittedly v dim memories (40+ years), I was thinking of
>
>
> regards, jr.
>
No, your memory may be correct. May be they changed the use of the land
in the mean time. I cannot remember such great areas of single trees
there. But it was 20 years ago that I visited the Mayen/Adenau area more
often and not forty. I remember the landscape there a bit, because I
remember more the streets there. They were very well suited for
motor-biking.
Best regards
Michael
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>
> Xfrog is considered one of the top plant-generating software. I have not
> considered (yet) to buy it. My need is not that great. However, before
> cancelling, have you tried to contact them?
>
Yes of course I tried to contact them several times, but I yielded only
automated answers. something like this:
Your request (26497) has been received and is being reviewed by our
support staff.
To add additional comments, reply to this email.
I fear no one is on board at the moment (corona?). Of course Xfrog is
the top plant-generating software and 99 US-Bucks is a bargain really.
One has to invest aome time to understand their approach and work
through their tutorial. They seem to have a problem with close ups of
flowers. The blossom of an orchid seems to be impossible, but may be I
overlooked some options.
Best regards
Michael
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Op 02/10/2020 om 12:36 schreef Bald Eagle:
> Thomas de Groot <tho### [at] degrootorg> wrote:
> I have been playing for a long time with the idea
>> of "publishing" all that stuff some way or another. I am aware that when
>> I shall come to disappear, all that stuff will be "lost". I need to do
>> something about it, if only because I feel an obligation to the
>> community who provided me with it. Additionally, I may discover use for
>> the many items I never included in my scenes. A majority most probably.
>>
>> You have got my attention gentlemen.
>
> I'd say that a good step 1 would be to get everything into one folder and make
> an index file with all of the filenames (with an eye toward making it HTML).
>
> Then you can start with the minimum needed to make it "useable" - under each
> filename, you can put author, date/version, link to original post if you know
> it, and any notes or comments that you might have. Mention scenes that you've
> used it in. Perhaps while you're doing this, think of a grouping scheme or tags
> for the files: plants, buildings, people, clouds, water....
>
> That way you can sort of skim through it and hit the highlights, which are
> likely the most interesting/useful items in the collection.
>
> That sets it up for posting to a file hosting site, and folks can download it,
> look it over, and discuss some of the files - then it kinda takes on a life of
> its own and people can find missing information, divine the purpose of code that
> you're not sure of, catch bugs, make edits for clarity and efficiency, etc.
> Many hands make light work.
>
> Many things might be a wonderful addition to the Insert Menu.
>
In fact, I have something like this already. Everything is inside one
single folder, subdivided into sub-folders (authors), and
sub-sub-folders (include/macro groups). I have an index in the form of a
spreadsheet. Unfortunately, I have not updated it since 2012, but the
bulk is there already probably. I urgently need to check the whole thing
out.
I was thinking also of an eventual HTML version. I have a little
experience with building HTML pages through the work for the TC-RTC, but
this would be a major project indeed.
--
Thomas
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