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: I am an escapee for the windows world, and I still feel that it's a real
: hassle to switch between consoles.
You can use emacs as a gui (just download povmode.el somewhere).
I use emacs (with povmode) to just edit the povray files. I render in the
xterm and it's not difficult at all to switch between emacs and the xterm.
If you are curious, my desktop looks like this when I'm povraying:
http://www.cs.tut.fi/~warp/snapshot.gif
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):_;i&&_>1;printf("%s",_-70?_&1?"[]":" ":(_=0,"\n")),_/=2);} /*- Warp -*/
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> The GUI is something I am really looking forward to.
> I am an escapee for the windows world, and I still feel that it's a real
> hassle to switch between consoles.
Why not use X? that is waaaay simpler...
> As for (X)Emacs, it is so complicated that it puts off many beginners (
> myself included).
XEmacs is much easier than Emacs, thanks to the menus and the toolbar,
but
the configuration is not an easy thing to do, but with some patience
it's
possible to get a very easy to work with setup, that is also very fast.
But if you are in console, then you don't get the menus or toolbar, so
that
might reduce your liking of XEmacs, I know I dislike it when not in X
;).
> I know that many of linux users might feel offended but.....
make that unixusers, and if any of us get offended then I'd say he/she
isn't quite cut to help people out, and they pretty much should just
shut
up and do something else (like making nice images).
>
>
>
> > Javier Belanche wrote:
> >
> > > I don't understand 'cause I add this line in the *.ini
> > > ...Library_Path=....INI item, but declares no found...
> > >
> > > what's solution?
> >
> > This is going to require some debugging. I don't have enough
> > information at this point (I can find colors.inc on my machine). Try
> > specifying the path on the command line, just to narrow things down.
> > Triple-check your .ini or .povrayrc or whatever. Make sure the file is
> > actually where you claim it is, and make sure that it's readable. There
> > are lots of possible causes, and not all of them involve bugs.
> >
> >
> > Currently there are a number of unofficial GUI front-ends out there.
> > There will be an official one eventually (it's on my moderately short
> > list, with 3.5 being on my very short list).
> >
> > -Mark Gordon
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Beta Test Version: Still too buggy to be released.
Release Version: Alternate pronunciation of "Beta Test Version".
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Steve wrote:
>
> On Sat, 05 Aug 2000 03:05:16 +0200, Peter Toneby wrote:
> >
> >hmmm, I really gotta get the next version out... it will add
> >quite a few nice things, but will not be quite complete...
> >The things I have added/changed so far are (cut from the changelog,
> >and including stuff not yet working...):
>
> I've toyed with the idea of producing an emacs InsertMenu for POV,
> based on the windows version of POV, with the ability to change the
> default data that's inserted.
>
> I'm going to write a perl script that generates the insert menu because
> I can imagine my future including voluntary commitment to an assylum if
> I were to write that much lisp code.
My guess is that it's not very much lispcode that needs to be written,
just some basic code for inserting a certain string at the cursor. The
hard part is to write a good startingpoint for the stuff to insert,
unless
you do the easy thing and rip the windowsversion ;)
> It'll be great once the tags are working, I don't seem to be having any
> luck so far with using bookmarks in emacs, possibly compounded by the
> fact that I use RCS all the time.
I'm actually uncertain if I would like an InsertMenu, but if you get
something working I will take a look and see if I can add it too
povmode,
and possibly add configurationoptions for it, unless it's easier to use
a normal (lisp)file.
/Peter
--
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Beta Test Version: Still too buggy to be released.
Release Version: Alternate pronunciation of "Beta Test Version".
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Ok, I surrender. Actually I have already surrendered
I have managed to do syntax-highlighting with two editors but there are still
flaws with them :
<> Code Commander : too early in development to allow start rendre and return
to script with hot-keys ( ie ALT+G)
<> nedit : Great one but I still have to click on the picture and close the
output window to go back to the script. ( there could be a way round, but I
still have to find it)
For Xemacs, I downloaded el files for both 'Official' and 'Unofficial'-pov.
do you make Xemacs to ingest them ?
I replaced the .emacs file found at /home with uv-pov.el -> nothing
I replaced the .start-site file found at /etc/lib/...(I forgot) ..Xemacs...
with uv-pov.el -> still nothing
I replace others files as well, but ...... you know the answer
It also specified that for one of the file, you have to byte-compile it ????
How do you do that in Emacs.
I am completely lost there.
One more question when I look at the formulaes in your snapshot, does Xemacs
automatically hightlight matching braces, brackets and parentheses as Nedit
does ?
I think it would be a great feature for the next version POVWIN.
Thanks for any help.
> : I am an escapee for the windows world, and I still feel that it's a real
> : hassle to switch between consoles.
>
> You can use emacs as a gui (just download povmode.el somewhere).
>
> I use emacs (with povmode) to just edit the povray files. I render in the
> xterm and it's not difficult at all to switch between emacs and the xterm.
>
> If you are curious, my desktop looks like this when I'm povraying:
>
> http://www.cs.tut.fi/~warp/snapshot.gif
>
> --
> main(i,_){for(_?--i,main(i+2,"FhhQHFIJD|FQTITFN]zRFHhhTBFHhhTBFysdB"[i]
> ):_;i&&_>1;printf("%s",_-70?_&1?"[]":" ":(_=0,"\n")),_/=2);} /*- Warp -*/
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On Sun, 06 Aug 2000 01:26:11 +0200, Peter Toneby wrote:
>Steve wrote:
>>
>> On Sat, 05 Aug 2000 03:05:16 +0200, Peter Toneby wrote:
>> >
>> >hmmm, I really gotta get the next version out... it will add
>> >quite a few nice things, but will not be quite complete...
>> >The things I have added/changed so far are (cut from the changelog,
>> >and including stuff not yet working...):
>>
>> I've toyed with the idea of producing an emacs InsertMenu for POV,
>> based on the windows version of POV, with the ability to change the
>> default data that's inserted.
>>
>> I'm going to write a perl script that generates the insert menu because
>> I can imagine my future including voluntary commitment to an assylum if
>> I were to write that much lisp code.
>
>My guess is that it's not very much lispcode that needs to be written,
>just some basic code for inserting a certain string at the cursor. The
>hard part is to write a good startingpoint for the stuff to insert,
>unless
>you do the easy thing and rip the windowsversion ;)
>
>> It'll be great once the tags are working, I don't seem to be having any
>> luck so far with using bookmarks in emacs, possibly compounded by the
>> fact that I use RCS all the time.
>
>I'm actually uncertain if I would like an InsertMenu, but if you get
>something working I will take a look and see if I can add it too
>povmode,
>and possibly add configurationoptions for it, unless it's easier to use
>a normal (lisp)file.
Yes it'll be a normal .el file but I'll initially generate that .el file
using a perl script to read the directories and files which go together
to make the windows version of the insert menu. I got a zipped version
of the directory structure and text files which are used in the windows
version.
I'll let you know as soon as I've got it sorted out.
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>Ok, I surrender. Actually I have already surrendered
>I have managed to do syntax-highlighting with two editors but there are still
>flaws with them :
><> Code Commander : too early in development to allow start rendre and return
>to script with hot-keys ( ie ALT+G)
><> nedit : Great one but I still have to click on the picture and close the
>output window to go back to the script. ( there could be a way round, but I
>still have to find it)
>
>For Xemacs, I downloaded el files for both 'Official' and 'Unofficial'-pov.
>
>do you make Xemacs to ingest them ?
>I replaced the .emacs file found at /home with uv-pov.el -> nothing
>I replaced the .start-site file found at /etc/lib/...(I forgot) ..Xemacs...
>with uv-pov.el -> still nothing
>I replace others files as well, but ...... you know the answer
Doesn't sound like you read the instructions. I didn't know anything about
emacs untill a few weeks ago, there are instructions on the website where
you got pov-mode.el from. I found that the integrated rendering doesn't work
the way I'd like and doesn't give me some of the facilities that I'd like,
thats why I wrote PovMenu which you can get from my website and please
read the instructions in the .txt file before using.
Pov-mode shows you matching braces, brackets and <> signs. The .el files don't
need to be compiled, they just need to go into your emacs loadpath, but as I've
said above the instructions are very simple and are layed out clearly on the
page where you d/l pov-mode from.
Hope that helps.
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> Ok, I surrender. Actually I have already surrendered
> I have managed to do syntax-highlighting with two editors but there are still
> flaws with them :
> <> Code Commander : too early in development to allow start rendre and return
> to script with hot-keys ( ie ALT+G)
> <> nedit : Great one but I still have to click on the picture and close the
> output window to go back to the script. ( there could be a way round, but I
> still have to find it)
>
> For Xemacs, I downloaded el files for both 'Official' and 'Unofficial'-pov.
>
> do you make Xemacs to ingest them ?
> I replaced the .emacs file found at /home with uv-pov.el -> nothing
> I replaced the .start-site file found at /etc/lib/...(I forgot) ..Xemacs...
> with uv-pov.el -> still nothing
download the pov-mode.el and put it in /home/.../lib/emacs where '...'
is your
username.
now put the following in you .emacs:
;;--- Start of file
; ... = your username
(setq load-path (cons "/home/.../lib/emacs/" load-path))
(require 'pov-mode)
;;--- end of file
now, to get syntax highlighting, follow the instructions below, but
enter the
programming->languages->pov group, and change the settings there to
something
you like (fontify insanly is recommended, that is the syntax
highlighting).
> It also specified that for one of the file, you have to byte-compile it ????
> How do you do that in Emacs.
> I am completely lost there.
>
> One more question when I look at the formulaes in your snapshot, does Xemacs
> automatically hightlight matching braces, brackets and parentheses as Nedit
> does ?
If you tell it to, it's called 'paren highlighting' in emacs-lingua.
To make it do so you should (starting up emacs) in Emacs do like this
(if in X):
Helpmenu->Customize->Browse Customizations Groups
expand (by clicking [+]) the Editing group
expand the Matching group
expand the Paren Matching group
expand Paren showing
click the [Option] Show Paren Mode, this opens a new buffer, in this
click
[Toggle] and then [Save for future sessions]
click the [Option] Show Paren Style, click [Value Menu] in the new
buffer
and select what style you want, then save this too.
if you are in console, then you can press meta and x (meta is usually
alt)
then type customize, and you should get something that looks almost the
same
as in X, but instead of a tree showing the groups you have to select
[Go to group], then it's the same way.
In XEmacs you just enter the Optionsmenu then paren highlighting and
what type
you want, finally you save the options, by using the save options in the
options
menu.
> I think it would be a great feature for the next version POVWIN.
yup, it's a very neat feature.
I hope you understand the directions I have given here...
/Peter Toneby
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Beta Test Version: Still too buggy to be released.
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Steve <ste### [at] zeroppsuklinuxnet> wrote:
: The .el files don't
: need to be compiled
but you'd better do it if you want any speed.
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On 6 Aug 2000 10:40:07 -0400, Warp wrote:
>Steve <ste### [at] zeroppsuklinuxnet> wrote:
>: The .el files don't
>: need to be compiled
>
> but you'd better do it if you want any speed.
Wasn't very helpfull of us was it.
Open the .el file (in this case pov-mode.el) in emacs. On my
distro the .el files go in /usr/share/emacs/20.5/lisp/ you'll
need write access to that directory so you'll probably have to
su to root and then open the file. When you have the file open
there will be a menu called Emacs Lisp, in that menu there is
an option "Byte Compile This File". So do that and then exit
emacs and exit from root, then open one of your pov files
(this assumes that you've set up your .emacs file correctly).
Hope that's a bit more helpful.
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Steve wrote:
>
> On 6 Aug 2000 10:40:07 -0400, Warp wrote:
> >Steve <ste### [at] zeroppsuklinuxnet> wrote:
> >: The .el files don't
> >: need to be compiled
> >
> > but you'd better do it if you want any speed.
>
> Wasn't very helpfull of us was it.
>
> Open the .el file (in this case pov-mode.el) in emacs. On my
> distro the .el files go in /usr/share/emacs/20.5/lisp/ you'll
> need write access to that directory so you'll probably have to
> su to root and then open the file. When you have the file open
> there will be a menu called Emacs Lisp, in that menu there is
> an option "Byte Compile This File". So do that and then exit
> emacs and exit from root, then open one of your pov files
> (this assumes that you've set up your .emacs file correctly).
I think it's better to say, open the file from the place you put it,
then follow the above instructions to bytecompile. It's not a good
practice to put anything in /usr/* except in /usr/local where
everything you add to the system should go, unless of course your
site has some other scheme for locally added software.
/Peter
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