>>> ...but then I took an arrow in my knee.
>>
>> What the hell does that even *mean*?!
>
> http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/i-took-an-arrow-in-the-knee

Suddenly it makes /so much/ more sense...

http://www.cad-comic.com/cad/20111209

Also: Due to a brain malfunction, every time I see "Skyrim" I read it as 
"scrim". (Similarly, normally => tourmaline.)

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On 2/14/2012 10:20 AM, Orchid Win7 v1 wrote:
> First I drove my car to the garage, and then I walked home. Apparently
> that's about 1.25 miles. (According to the wibbly wobbly line I drew in
> Google Earth anyway.) Then I wanted to go visit a friend, but she said
> she was going out shortly. I attempted to jog over there - yeah, that
> didn't happen. I /was/ fairly wet by the time I arrived though (bearing

> Apparently the trip is about 2.75 miles each way.
>
> My legs hurt now. To be fair, I think it was probably the jogging that
> did that. The impact of hitting the ground did feel fairly extreme.
> (Sure, I jump around all the time at dance class, but that's on a sprung
> dance floor, not a concrete footpath.) So yeah, I may have slightly
> strained the tendons. I'm sure it'll stop hurting in a while.
>

That sounds reasonable from what you describe your normal activity to 
be.  You just used a lot of muscle groups in ways that you don't 
normally use them.

Expect to be sore and in some pain if you have not been jogging and then 
you try to do 5 miles.  Do pay attention to what may just be muscle 
soreness and what may be actual injury forming.

But the best part is that if you take a couple of days off from running 
and then do it again you will eventually feel better and not be in so 
much pain.

A good pair of running shoes can help lessen the impact and pain.  If 
you want to run regularly then you should reserve your running shoes for 
just that - running and not wear them for just going out.

Also, running on concrete can be pretty hard on the body - running on 
asphalt can make a big difference.


Tom

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Orchid Win7 v1 <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:

Walking only burns a few hundred calories an hour. You need to burn (and not
replace) about 3500 calories (more than a days worth) to lose one pound of fat.
To make matters worse, you can't do any of this too quickly or your body will
rebel against you. Walking won't increase your bmr. Eat a piece of pie and all
of your suffering will have been for nothing.

Get in shape as I described in the fitness thread. Learn about tabata. Do
push-ups. Start counting calories.

ALSO:

Wow! Things are different over there. I weight over 90 kg, and I'm considered
trim in Texas.

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Shay <nomail@nomail> wrote:
> Walking only burns a few hundred calories an hour. You need to burn (and not
> replace) about 3500 calories (more than a days worth) to lose one pound of fat.
> To make matters worse, you can't do any of this too quickly or your body will
> rebel against you. Walking won't increase your bmr. Eat a piece of pie and all
> of your suffering will have been for nothing.

  Leisure walking might not, but vigorous walking certainly will. It's
almost as efficient as jogging, but much more suitable for an unfit
person.

-- 
                                                          - Warp

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On 25/02/2012 16:03, Shay wrote:
> Orchid Win7 v1<voi### [at] devnull>  wrote:
>
> Walking only burns a few hundred calories an hour. You need to burn (and not
> replace) about 3500 calories (more than a days worth) to lose one pound of fat.
> To make matters worse, you can't do any of this too quickly or your body will
> rebel against you. Walking won't increase your bmr. Eat a piece of pie and all
> of your suffering will have been for nothing.
>
> Get in shape as I described in the fitness thread. Learn about tabata. Do
> push-ups. Start counting calories.

Yeah, I wasn't actually attempting to lose weight. I just didn't have a 
car and needed to go places. I'm actually surprised I managed it without 
dying, to be honest.

As I say, at school we went on a 5 mile walk, and it took about 8 hours. 
That gives an average walking speed of about just over 1 MPH. At that 
speed, walking 4 miles should have taken almost 4 hours...

> ALSO:
>
> Wow! Things are different over there. I weight over 90 kg, and I'm considered
> trim in Texas.

I used to be 80 Kg. Now I'm 90. :-{ Isn't that the best part about old 
age? Now all I have to look forward to in life is progressively getting 
worse...

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On 2/25/2012 9:03 AM, Shay wrote:
> Orchid Win7 v1<voi### [at] devnull>  wrote:
>
> Walking only burns a few hundred calories an hour. You need to burn (and not
> replace) about 3500 calories (more than a days worth) to lose one pound of fat.
> To make matters worse, you can't do any of this too quickly or your body will
> rebel against you. Walking won't increase your bmr. Eat a piece of pie and all
> of your suffering will have been for nothing.
>
Uh, worse news. Turns out, when you do burn them, your body responds by 
converting you "speed" muscle to "strength" muscle, which is roughly 10% 
more efficient, so to "keep burning" those 3500 calories, you have to 
drastically increase how much time, and work, you apply to doing so, to 
keep off the original loss. In effect, once you have it, its harder to 
keep it off again, than if you never had it.

Also. A thing about BMI. The man that invented it stated, clearly, "This 
is not intended to be a metric of health." It became such via comity, 
not via science. In reality, it cannot tell you if you are healthy, your 
organs are functioning, or you will end up suffering diseases, as a 
result of your weight. Its nonsense, but it is nonsense that can be used 
to sell you expensive "fixes" for the same nonsense, like new diet pills.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlXxoG98urc&list=UUJm5yR1KFcysl_0I3x-iReg&index=5&feature=plcp

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On Sat, 25 Feb 2012 20:11:18 -0700, Patrick Elliott wrote:

> Also. A thing about BMI. 

Absolutely! Andrew should forget about his BMI and worry about his BMR. 
Walking is good exercise. So are the bike riding, running, weight 
lifting, hammer swinging, ladder climbing, kettle bell work, and 
calisthenics that I do. But I wouldn't recommend any of these to Andrew 
because none are the shortest path to what he wants.

 -Shay

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On 2/27/2012 8:17 AM, Shay wrote:
> On Sat, 25 Feb 2012 20:11:18 -0700, Patrick Elliott wrote:
>
>> Also. A thing about BMI.
>
> Absolutely! Andrew should forget about his BMI and worry about his BMR.
> Walking is good exercise. So are the bike riding, running, weight
> lifting, hammer swinging, ladder climbing, kettle bell work, and
> calisthenics that I do. But I wouldn't recommend any of these to Andrew
> because none are the shortest path to what he wants.
>
>   -Shay
Interesting note. A study done a while back showed that merely knowing 
how much you burned, somehow, may result in increased loss. The study 
was conducted with two groups working basically identical jobs, under 
basically identical conditions, where the only apparent difference was 
that one group had a chart to consult, telling them how much they 
burned, for every single thing they did during the day, while the other 
didn't.

Still.. I seem to remember that they was someone looking into trying 
to.. retrain their body for "fast" action, like sprinting. One major 
improvement in BMR would literally be to trigger such a change, since if 
you could get your muscles to re-organize for speed, it would drop their 
efficiency 10%+, and thus burn that much more energy, during the same 
duration of exercise. Not sure if this is possible though. 
Unfortunately, pretty much *all* types of exercise used to drop weight 
does the exact opposite, triggering an "increase" in efficiency, and 
making it harder to lose/keep off the weight.

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On 28/02/2012 09:43 AM, Patrick Elliott wrote:

> Interesting note. A study done a while back showed that merely knowing
> how much you burned, somehow, may result in increased loss.

Sounds like something similar to the placebo effect. (Note: The placebo 
effect is /not/ imaginary. It is real. It can be measured.) It's no 
secret that both happiness and stress release a whole host of hormones 
which make various organs function differently - so it's hardly 
implausible that knowing how well your exercise is going could affect 
how well your exercise goes.

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On 2/28/2012 4:59, Invisible wrote:
> On 28/02/2012 09:43 AM, Patrick Elliott wrote:
>
>> Interesting note. A study done a while back showed that merely knowing
>> how much you burned, somehow, may result in increased loss.
>
> Sounds like something similar to the placebo effect.

It's also the case that your metabolism is regulated based on how much food 
is available, how likely you are to be eaten by a tiger, etc. I've seen 
studies where people imagined being in danger and (over time) lost weight, 
and the doctors doing the study figured it was because your mind was 
preparing you to run away.


-- 
Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
   People tell me I am the counter-example.

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