"nemesis" <nam### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
> awesome!  Much better than the classic povray ones.

Got any links or images? I don't remember any classic cityscapes.

> we need a night shot. :)

I'll see what I can do ;)

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"B. Gimeno" <nomail@nomail> wrote:
> Another round of hyper-realistic or useful suggestions:

Always welcome!

> -Birds, clouds, aircraft contrails,
> -The environment, would a mountainous horizon perhaps? Or the sea coast?

Always desirable in any scene! Birds + aircraft I especially like the idea of.
I'd like to build my cities on some gentle hills eventually :)

> -Satellite dishes, you will not see unless you look at them.
> - Advertising?

There will be no advertising in my city ;-) It's not as noticeable in UK cities
anyway. Satellite dishes will probably come under my desire for enhanced roof
furniture.

> - The reflection in the windows. The point is that in reality, crystals are not
> perfectly aligned. Add a little bump distortion to make us believe we are seeing
> a photograph.

Good point. I've used this trick to good effect with bricks in the past, it
should work especially well with modern all-glass skyscrapers.

> btw, excelent job and nice renders

Thanks!

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On 22/01/2012 10:24 PM, Bill Pragnell wrote:

> Here's another iteration.
>
> Bill

Brill! As usual. But where are the tower cranes? ;-)

-- 
Regards
     Stephen

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"Bill Pragnell" <bil### [at] hotmailcom> wrote:
> A break from attractors... cities. A single macro generates each building; the
> real tricksiness lies in randomising the parameters sensibly. This is the result
> of a week's tinkering. I should tinker more often! :)
>
> Bill

Pretty cool Bill, almost convincing. It just needs a bit of texture work and
some of that aforementioned greebling (cooling units, wires, doors, skylights,
etc.) to really set it off. Oh, and if a building has many large windows,
rotating the panels slightly would also help :)

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On 23-1-2012 22:01, Bill Pragnell wrote:
> As you suggest, this will undoubtedly end up being a small library of layered
> macros (assuming I stick with it!) I'd also like to expand on the roofing
> options - there are only 2 types of roof in the latter image, so some more roof
> furniture would be good, maybe a spire or pyramid. For low, long buildings, I
> could try gabled roofing. I was also thinking of trying polygonal blocks with
> buildings around the edges, for a more european feel. Parks would be useful to
> open up some space. And let's not forget the suburbs...
>
John's comments made me muse about what makes a city look *American* or 
not. Obviously, the conglomerate of high-rising skyscrapers is iconic in 
films and advertisements, and is easiest to model as a start towards 
more complex cities. Still, what makes a city *European* or *Asian*, 
starting from the same modern downtown concept: what makes Rotterdam 
different from London or Shanghai? Or Lagos for that matter?

[I have more than a passing interest in architecture and urbanism by the 
way...]

Thomas

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On 23-1-2012 22:04, Bill Pragnell wrote:
> "nemesis"<nam### [at] gmailcom>  wrote:
>> awesome!  Much better than the classic povray ones.
>
> Got any links or images? I don't remember any classic cityscapes.

Probably one of the oldest is Chris Colefax's City Generator, back in 
the nineties of last century. It can be found nowadays here: 
http://reocities.com/SiliconValley/lakes/1434/citygen.html

Then, there is city7.pov by Mike Williams. An exercise in city building 
using small thumbnails for texturing the buildings. I don't know where 
this is residing; probably in one of the ng's (2005).

Kirk Andrews made Sci-FiGen.inc: 
http://news.povray.org/povray.binaries.scene-files/thread/%3Cweb.47194b73b4b604217e1bc26d0@news.povray.org%3E/?ttop=361024&toff=150
maybe not a total city (I don't remember exactly).

There are number of other builders around, but I don't remember exactly 
there activities... ;-)

Thomas

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>
> Must. Post. Image.

Wow! Really wonderful images.

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Thomas de Groot <tenDOTlnDOTretniATtoorgedDOTt> wrote:
> There are number of other builders around, but I don't remember exactly
> there activities... ;-)

I had a brief look around. I could only find fleeting images from CC's
generator, which looked good but a little basic. I couldn't find MW's stuff, but
I can look harder if necessary :) I remember KA's sci-fi city, wonderful images.
I'm going to stick to 'realistic' buildings to start with, but I want to include
some weird/oversized components eventually.

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Thomas de Groot <tenDOTlnDOTretniATtoorgedDOTt> wrote:
> John's comments made me muse about what makes a city look *American* or
> not. Obviously, the conglomerate of high-rising skyscrapers is iconic in
> films and advertisements, and is easiest to model as a start towards
> more complex cities. Still, what makes a city *European* or *Asian*,
> starting from the same modern downtown concept: what makes Rotterdam
> different from London or Shanghai? Or Lagos for that matter?

Street plan geometry, architectural styles, famous landmarks... But in general,
I can't tell the difference between eastern, middle eastern, european or
american downtown areas, unless there is a landmark I recognise. Modern
metal-and-glass seem to follow similar ranges of design. It's the older
districts that really give up the clues.

> [I have more than a passing interest in architecture and urbanism by the
> way...]

I've always found architecture fascinating, although I know almost nothing about
it. I expect your insights will be of great use to me!

Bill

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On 24-1-2012 15:42, Bill Pragnell wrote:
> Thomas de Groot<tenDOTlnDOTretniATtoorgedDOTt>  wrote:
>> John's comments made me muse about what makes a city look *American* or
>> not. Obviously, the conglomerate of high-rising skyscrapers is iconic in
>> films and advertisements, and is easiest to model as a start towards
>> more complex cities. Still, what makes a city *European* or *Asian*,
>> starting from the same modern downtown concept: what makes Rotterdam
>> different from London or Shanghai? Or Lagos for that matter?
>
> Street plan geometry, architectural styles, famous landmarks... But in general,
> I can't tell the difference between eastern, middle eastern, european or
> american downtown areas, unless there is a landmark I recognise. Modern
> metal-and-glass seem to follow similar ranges of design. It's the older
> districts that really give up the clues.

Yes, I think you are right. I have come to the same conclusion.

>
>> [I have more than a passing interest in architecture and urbanism by the
>> way...]
>
> I've always found architecture fascinating, although I know almost nothing about
> it. I expect your insights will be of great use to me!

Don't expect too much :-) I am a dilettante myself, but I like to read 
books about the matter and observe the world.

Thomas

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