"Greg M. Johnson" <pte### [at] thecommononethatstartswithYcom> wrote:
> Thierry CHARLES wrote:
>
> > Thierry
> > http://qtpoveditor.sf.net
>
> Um,  what kind of web page is that? It wreaked havoc with my Konqueror
> window.

Strange ... it's only simple text, 3 images and a little CSS for basic text
formatting. I have tried it on Konqueror 3.5.7 on Debian etch and I have no
problem.

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"Leef_me" <nomail@nomail> wrote:
>
> Because Christmas is about Christ!!!!
> Because "Advent Calendar" has ONLY ONE meaning Advent of Christ!
>
> It's like saying rgb<1,0,0> is Blue....... It is factually inaccurate.
>
> Leef_me

You might not base yourself on appearances. In english, christmas is based on
"christ" because the religious side of this event has been felt as the most
important. In italian it is "Natale", for the same reasons. In french we say

Christ because the relation between the population and the religion is weaker.
All this to say that an event can not have only one meaning : this meaning will
be different from one person to an other. To use your analogy, "blue" can
represent the sky as well as the water.

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"gRRosminet" <thierry@les-charles._no_spam_.net> wrote:
> "Leef_me" <nomail@nomail> wrote:
> >
> > Because Christmas is about Christ!!!!
> > Because "Advent Calendar" has ONLY ONE meaning Advent of Christ!
> >
> > It's like saying rgb<1,0,0> is Blue....... It is factually inaccurate.
> >
> > Leef_me
>

> All this to say that an event can not have only one meaning : this meaning >will be
different from one person to an o
ther.

If someone wishes to ignore the traditions of Christmas, they will.

But, you missed the point of my response to the o/p, namely:

         An Advent calendar is a special calendar used by some Christians
         to count the days of Advent. The calendar reminds us of the coming
         of Jesus as a baby...    and the Second Coming of Jesus as King.

The DEFINITION of Advent Calendar is fixed. Just because my nephew was born on
December 25th, doesn't mean the Advent Calendar is about him.

>To use your analogy, "blue" can > represent the sky as well as the water.

The point of my analogy was to show that some things are defined.
If you wish to color your trees Blue for effect, it is fine.

If you want to call rgb<1,0,0> by French "rouge" fine, but not "bleu" .

Leef_me

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> If someone wishes to ignore the traditions of Christmas, they will.
> 
> But, you missed the point of my response to the o/p, namely:
> 
>          An Advent calendar is a special calendar used by some Christia
ns
>          to count the days of Advent. The calendar reminds us of the co
ming
>          of Jesus as a baby...    and the Second Coming of Jesus as Kin
g.
> 
> The DEFINITION of Advent Calendar is fixed. Just because my nephew was 
born on
> December 25th, doesn't mean the Advent Calendar is about him.
> 
>> To use your analogy, "blue" can > represent the sky as well as the wat
er.
> 
> The point of my analogy was to show that some things are defined.
> If you wish to color your trees Blue for effect, it is fine.
> 
> If you want to call rgb<1,0,0> by French "rouge" fine, but not "bleu" .

> 
> Leef_me

Definitely, it looks like you are a religious extremist which cannot 
accept the opinion of persons who don't have the same beliefs than you.

Ending the discussion with compassion for your closed mind which doesn't 

even noticed that christianism promotes tolerance and respect for other 
beliefs

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Le 03.12.2007 19:57, Leef_me nous fit lire :

> The point of my analogy was to show that some things are defined.
> If you wish to color your trees Blue for effect, it is fine.

Why "for effect" ? If you ever ask some Japanese/Chinese people
about the colours of grass, sky, sea, lake, and dark forest you
might be surprised by 98% of the answering people: same!
What you call Blue is an English concept. It convert relatively fine
within western cultures.
But can fail on others. Colours are the ones the most easily wrong,
especially if you have to describe them without picture (even by
sending a picture, if you do not know the gamma curve of your
relative, you might very well get it wrong: just have a fun in
povray, about brown & indian red. The rendering at gamma 1.0 and 2.2
is so different for a western eye!)
There is no point in assuming one's culture is right and the other's
cultures are wrong: the translation in English of the title might
have been hazardous, but instead of pinpointing details, you should
simply enjoy the offer.

-- 
The superior man understands what is right;
the inferior man understands what will sell.
-- Confucius

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Le Forgeron <jgr### [at] freefr> wrote:
> Le 03.12.2007 19:57, Leef_me nous fit lire :
>
> > The point of my analogy was to show that some things are defined.
> > If you wish to color your trees Blue for effect, it is fine.
>
> Why "for effect" ? If you ever ask some Japanese/Chinese people
> about the colours of grass, sky, sea, lake, and dark forest you
> might be surprised by 98% of the answering people: same!
> What you call Blue is an English concept. It convert relatively fine
> within western cultures.

I was writing to a person claiming French not Japanese/Chinese.
We therefore hold the same meaning if not the same spelling.
Your adding the information about other cultures is not applicable in this
context. However, I didn't know those items appear similar, maybe I learned
something.

> There is no point in assuming one's culture is right and the other's
> cultures are wrong: the translation in English of the title might
> have been hazardous, but instead of pinpointing details, you should
> simply enjoy the offer.
>

Thierry decided to redefine the phrase "Advent Calendar".

This is the error, dismissing the existing definition.

And when I commented on his error and explained why it was error, he had no
recourse but to the discussion "with compassion" by referring to me as
"religious extremist" "your closed mind"

Leef_me

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> Thierry decided to redefine the phrase "Advent Calendar".
> 
	Thierry is hardly the only one to use this defiinition. Quoting
from Wikipedia: "Advent calendars can also consist of cloth sheets
with small pockets to be filled with candy or other small items." [1]

		Jerome

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=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22J=E9r=F4me_M=2E_Berger=22?= <jeb### [at] freefr> wrote:
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> Leef_me wrote:
> > Thierry decided to redefine the phrase "Advent Calendar".
> >
>  Thierry is hardly the only one to use this defiinition. Quoting
> from Wikipedia: "Advent calendars can also consist of cloth sheets
> with small pockets to be filled with candy or other small items." [1]
>
>   Jerome
>
> [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advent_calendar
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Continuing the wikipedia article:

      "Many calendars have been adapted by merchandisers and manufacturers to
include a piece of chocolate or other confectionery behind each compartment.
These are often aimed at children who are counting down to Christmas and the
arrival of Santa Claus, and have often been criticised for not relating to the
Nativity and simply cashing in on Christmas sales."

And it looks like I am hardly the only one to complain about the change.

Leef_me

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Thierry CHARLES <thierry@_no_spam_les-charles.net> wrote:
> Hello !
>
> The french Povray's community is proud to announce you the Advent
> Calendar 2007. All you have to do is to follow this link :
> http://avent.les-charles.net
>
> Have a nice day !
>
> Thierry
> http://qtpoveditor.sf.net

That's a cute one with the dejected bunny. :) The snow looks great too. Thanks
for the little treats each day.

Janet

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>       "Many calendars have been adapted by merchandisers and manufacturers to
> include a piece of chocolate or other confectionery behind each compartment.
> These are often aimed at children who are counting down to Christmas and the
> arrival of Santa Claus, and have often been criticised for not relating to the
> Nativity and simply cashing in on Christmas sales."
> 
> And it looks like I am hardly the only one to complain about the change.

My child have an Advent Calendar with chocolates behind small
compartments and it's counting down the arrival of Santa Claus ("Pere
Noel"). We also have a pin tree and a string of flashing coloring lights
around the window, and we'll likely eat a cake shaped as a wood log
during xmas night.

All of this is coming back form a bunch of old mythology, some christian
 related, and most not (after all, 25 december is around winder solstice
and that the only reason why there is a feast there).

It's not because I'm drinking wine that I believe in Bachus, and all
Ancient Greko-Roman mythology.

Some seems still to believe in Santa Claus here. Fine for them if
they're happy with it, but we shouldn't let them come bothering people
about that too often, please.

   Yannick

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