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Coming along very nicely.
I think the distant lone tree is OK where it is.
What about a roadway between the fence & forest to fill in the gap, or maybe
a small lake or pond.
Alex
"Tim Nikias" <JUSTTHELOWERCASE:timISNOTnikias(at)gmx.netWARE> wrote in
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> Hi all!
>
> The latest version of the image. I'm unsure if I really want to go ahead
> and
> add some clouds, mainly because the landscape already has much white and
> extra clouds would subtract the nice blue-white-contrast.
>
> I'm thinking about pulling the distant lone tree with the fence a little
> closer, there's still quite a gap between the forest and the fence. I'll
> also need to add some more fine-detail to the main heightfield to avoid
> the
> plain white areas, that just look's awful.
>
> Tried putting some mountains at the horizon, but that just looked
> ridiculously overloaded.
>
> Suggestions and comments welcome, as always! :-)
>
> Regards,
> Tim
>
> --
> "Tim Nikias v2.0"
> Homepage: <http://www.nolights.de>
>
>
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Coming along very nicely.
I think the distant lone tree is OK where it is.
What about a roadway between the fence & forest to fill in the gap, or maybe
a small lake or pond.
Alex
"Tim Nikias" <JUSTTHELOWERCASE:timISNOTnikias(at)gmx.netWARE> wrote in
message news:41cb173a@news.povray.org...
> Hi all!
>
> The latest version of the image. I'm unsure if I really want to go ahead
> and
> add some clouds, mainly because the landscape already has much white and
> extra clouds would subtract the nice blue-white-contrast.
>
> I'm thinking about pulling the distant lone tree with the fence a little
> closer, there's still quite a gap between the forest and the fence. I'll
> also need to add some more fine-detail to the main heightfield to avoid
> the
> plain white areas, that just look's awful.
>
> Tried putting some mountains at the horizon, but that just looked
> ridiculously overloaded.
>
> Suggestions and comments welcome, as always! :-)
>
> Regards,
> Tim
>
> --
> "Tim Nikias v2.0"
> Homepage: <http://www.nolights.de>
>
>
>
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Tim Nikias nous apporta ses lumieres ainsi en ce 2004-12-23 14:05... :
>Hi all!
>
>The latest version of the image. I'm unsure if I really want to go ahead and
>add some clouds, mainly because the landscape already has much white and
>extra clouds would subtract the nice blue-white-contrast.
>
>I'm thinking about pulling the distant lone tree with the fence a little
>closer, there's still quite a gap between the forest and the fence. I'll
>also need to add some more fine-detail to the main heightfield to avoid the
>plain white areas, that just look's awful.
>
>Tried putting some mountains at the horizon, but that just looked
>ridiculously overloaded.
>
>Suggestions and comments welcome, as always! :-)
>
>Regards,
>Tim
>
>
>
If you want some clouds, I think they should be wispy, almost transparent.
Contrary to Slime, I see no problem with the proximity of the fence and
the forest, I've seen similar placement a few times. Maybe the owner of
the fenced terrain used the trees from the gap to build the fence, or to
heat his home...
Some natural forests have virtualy no undergrowth or bushes under the
trees, while having bushes near the edges. Just have the bushes closer
to the trees would be OK.
Alain
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Tim Nikias wrote:
>>- The poles making up the fence look pretty bendy.
>
>
> Yup, old and worn out. Maybe a little too much, I'll experiment some more.
I don't think it's that they are too bent, maybe just a little, but that
they are too regular. Each section of the fence is too similar to the
once before it, creating the look of a regular pattern off into the
distance. You might want to have some missing cross pieces in some
sections and have others lying on the ground. But maybe that's just my
own taste?
>>- I would agree that you should change the fence's position; why would
>>someone's property end 30 feet before the forest begins? It just seems
>>strangely placed.
>
>
> Maybe because he wasn't allowed to buy more? ;-) I won't go ahead and fit
> the fence along the curve of the forest though...
Yeah I don't think it would look good with the fence right up against
for forest, even if it is realistic.
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"Alain" <aze### [at] qwerty gov> wrote in message
news:41cb40a0$1@news.povray.org...
> Tim Nikias nous apporta ses lumieres ainsi en ce 2004-12-23 14:05... :
>
>>Hi all!
>>
>>The latest version of the image. I'm unsure if I really want to go ahead
>>and
>>add some clouds, mainly because the landscape already has much white and
>>extra clouds would subtract the nice blue-white-contrast.
>>
>>I'm thinking about pulling the distant lone tree with the fence a little
>>closer, there's still quite a gap between the forest and the fence. I'll
>>also need to add some more fine-detail to the main heightfield to avoid
>>the
>>plain white areas, that just look's awful.
>>
>>Tried putting some mountains at the horizon, but that just looked
>>ridiculously overloaded.
>>
>>Suggestions and comments welcome, as always! :-)
>>
>>Regards,
>>Tim
>>
>>
> If you want some clouds, I think they should be wispy, almost transparent.
> Contrary to Slime, I see no problem with the proximity of the fence and
> the forest, I've seen similar placement a few times. Maybe the owner of
> the fenced terrain used the trees from the gap to build the fence, or to
> heat his home...
> Some natural forests have virtualy no undergrowth or bushes under the
> trees, while having bushes near the edges. Just have the bushes closer to
> the trees would be OK.
>
> Alain
I like it.
Bushes and trees.
Its about competition for light. So you see a gradient from short to tall -
very rarely a step. And not so regular.
Best.
DLM
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> Coming along very nicely.
Thank you!
> What about a roadway between the fence & forest to fill in the gap, or
maybe
> a small lake or pond.
I was thinking about a road, or at least some tracks showing that a road
should be there.
Regards,
Tim
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Homepage: <http://www.nolights.de>
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> > Some natural forests have virtualy no undergrowth or bushes under the
> > trees, while having bushes near the edges. Just have the bushes closer
to
> > the trees would be OK.
> I like it.
> Bushes and trees.
> Its about competition for light. So you see a gradient from short to
tall -
> very rarely a step. And not so regular.
Thanks for the suggestions. Maybe I'll introduce some more randomness in the
positioning and placing of the bushes, as well as moving some of them more
into the forest. A little more variation in scale might be useful as well.
Regards,
Tim
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Homepage: <http://www.nolights.de>
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Tim Nikias wrote:
> Hi all!
>
> The latest version of the image. I'm unsure if I really want to go ahead and
> add some clouds, mainly because the landscape already has much white and
> extra clouds would subtract the nice blue-white-contrast.
>
> I'm thinking about pulling the distant lone tree with the fence a little
> closer, there's still quite a gap between the forest and the fence. I'll
> also need to add some more fine-detail to the main heightfield to avoid the
> plain white areas, that just look's awful.
>
> Tried putting some mountains at the horizon, but that just looked
> ridiculously overloaded.
>
> Suggestions and comments welcome, as always! :-)
>
> Regards,
> Tim
>
>
i think i'd leave the right end of the fences alone and try moving the
tree/corner join left almost to forest edge, there's a conventient
dimple in there, almost horizontally left and jiggle with the fence
spacing as already suggested
suggestion of track outline in the snow, maybe with occasional grass
spikes. rutted track throws up a sort of higher edge and a bit in
middle, grass would poke though. hard to explain what i mean
have you tried scaling the cat up by 1.25/1.5 out of curiosity?
and move along a line right up 20-30 deg to compensate
stephen
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> i think i'd leave the right end of the fences alone and try moving the
> tree/corner join left almost to forest edge, there's a conventient
> dimple in there, almost horizontally left and jiggle with the fence
> spacing as already suggested
Yup, more irregularities in the fence are planned. The algorithm was simple
divide-and-place, but modifications should be simple.
> suggestion of track outline in the snow, maybe with occasional grass
> spikes. rutted track throws up a sort of higher edge and a bit in
> middle, grass would poke though. hard to explain what i mean
I've already begun searching for some reference photos. As of yet I'm unsure
if I can get it right, but I'll try. If it doesn't work, I'll drop it. First
I'll check on the fences and the corner-position, might make a track
impossible to place.
> have you tried scaling the cat up by 1.25/1.5 out of curiosity?
> and move along a line right up 20-30 deg to compensate
Moving it away from the straight line is a good suggestion, scaling it
larger might be in order when they're moved. Otherwise, the cat-treehouse
relationship gets a little strange...
Thanks,
Tim
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Homepage: <http://www.nolights.de>
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Tim Nikias wrote:
> Hi all!
>
> The latest version of the image. I'm unsure if I really want to go ahead and
> add some clouds, mainly because the landscape already has much white and
> extra clouds would subtract the nice blue-white-contrast.
>
> I'm thinking about pulling the distant lone tree with the fence a little
> closer, there's still quite a gap between the forest and the fence. I'll
> also need to add some more fine-detail to the main heightfield to avoid the
> plain white areas, that just look's awful.
>
> Tried putting some mountains at the horizon, but that just looked
> ridiculously overloaded.
>
> Suggestions and comments welcome, as always! :-)
>
> Regards,
> Tim
Superb algorithmic work...really looks like a "real" forest and bushes. :)
But the image is starting to feel a little busy. The focus of the cat &
tree has been lost a bit, I think. The fence & lone tree is a great
touch, but if it was me I'd leave out the bushes altogether and spread
the forest trees out more or thin them a little (only in areas where the
trees have been hand-planted do they grow that thick!). The vehicle
tracks in the snow is a pretty good idea...that would add a civilized
feel to the scene, instead of the cat sitting out in the boonies
somewhere. :)
I think I would also lighten up the birdhouse a little...it looks dirty.
I know you're going for a "weathered" effect, but I think it's been
weathered just a little too much. :) The bendiness of the fence rails is
a great touch...I think I would reduce the bendiness just a little,
though. They all seem to be tilted down a little, too. I love the way
the snow lies on the far rails. :)
The moon is a great addition. I think you should leave the sky just the
way it is...I think it really sets off the white snow really well (and
skies that blue do happen occasionally in winter!)
Great work, as always!!
~Mike
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