I see a lot of potential, but I'll have to see a P to mentally associate it
to POV-Ray. I really dig the "V", it's kinda like the one in Virgin. What do
they make? Games? I forgot.

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"vaihtoehto" wrote:
> circle is Persistence, joined with Vision. (lame, yes?)
>
> i tried to make it smooth, easy to remember and recognize.
>
> any comments?

I think your logo is very professional looking!
I think it has more "design" than the others.

However, I have some suggestions.

You say that the logo sort of "means" "persistence of vision".
While that's a nice idea, it is not very easy to tell when you haven't been
told.

I think that doesn't matter, the logo is fine. But the text underneath
saying "ray" suggests that the word "pov" or "persistence of vision" is to
be found in the logo above the text. As I said, one will maybe not find
this, and thus be confused that the first part of "POV-Ray" is missing.

I suggest that you place the whole "pov-ray" underneath the logo. That way
it doesn't require any special knowledge to understand the logo, but if you
have the special knowledge you will see an extra dimension in the logo.

Also, I think the text could be bigger and italic and placed a little
different, but that's just my personal taste.

You could also make the logo slightly bigger because there's some unused
space to the left and right of the logo.

Compare the attached logos...

Any comments?

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Rune

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Rune wrote:
>You say that the logo sort of "means" "persistence of vision".
>While that's a nice idea, it is not very easy to tell when you haven't been
>told.

yes, i am aware of that. i planned that after a while people would associate
text "persistance of vision" with logo.
and so i avoided text "pov".
but i will try if it looks good with text "pov-ray".


>I think that doesn't matter, the logo is fine. But the text underneath
>saying "ray" suggests that the word "pov" or "persistence of vision" is to
>be found in the logo above the text. As I said, one will maybe not find
>this, and thus be confused that the first part of "POV-Ray" is missing.

i thought there would be some text around the logo mentioning "pov-ray" or
"persistence of vision" and so i didn't included it.

>You could also make the logo slightly bigger because there's some unused
>space to the left and right of the logo.

text is small because logo is fat. it's about contrast.
on low resolutions it get's unclear, though.
i'll try to fix it :)

i just found this news-place and this program does not let me see older
messages.. so i'm not sure what is this competition all about.
could someone kind enough explain?

-alt

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I like it! But I agree with Rune about the layout.

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> i just found this news-place and this program does not let me see older
> messages.. so i'm not sure what is this competition all about.
> could someone kind enough explain?

This is from my original message:

I think POV-Ray should have a real logo.

Almost all major products, companies, organizations, etc., have their own
logo so they can be easily recognized. It strengthens the product (or
whatever) that they have both a name and a logo. The logo can be seen on the
products, in commercials for the product, on the product's website, maybe in
articles about the product, etc...

POV-Ray doesn't have a logo.

If POV-Ray got a logo it could be placed in the program, users can put it in
the corner of their images if they want to, on the website, in articles
about POV-Ray, plus in desktop themes and other things...

My opinions about logos:

Logos must be concrete. POV-Ray is known for the checkered plane and
reflective sphere. However, that alone doesn't make it POV-RAY's logo. A
logo must be an actual image. A little, very simple image that always look
the same way.

Logos must be simple. I would say a rule of thumb is that the logo must be
easily recognized in black and white (with no shades of gray), and in a very
little resolution.

And now to the point:

I've set up a competition about making the best logo for POV-Ray. It's not
official in any way (I'm not in charge of that), I just thought it would be
fun and interesting. The competition is held in povray.binaries.images. That
is also where you can read about the rules. I thought at some point a survey
could be made, where people could vote for their favorite logo.

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Rune

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>If you want to improve it you are welcome to send me a new versions in one
>of the next couple of days :-)

so here you go.. :)

notes:
1.
i tried bigger font, but it draws attention away from logo itself (and looks
ugly too :)

2.
i tried italic, but that looked somewhat crappy and more like a
lufthansa/finnair/whatever logo than persistence of vision raytracer.
propably because computer fonts are often cheap fakes of real world fonts
and their italic versions are done against typographic rules. (or something
like that) so it's not my fault.

3.
i made two versions.
both with slightly altered "Vision".
nobody will see the difference, but i told it anyway :)
other one says "pov-ray" and the other "ray". i personally like
"ray" -version more because it's cleaner and it has "joke(?)" inside.
instead of reading "pov-ray" people have to figure it out. and so they will
remember it :)

i was thinking that it could be possible to create "house type" (i don't
know english term): same theme (circle and V in my entry) but different
versions. with text "ray" / "pov-ray" / "persistence of Vision raytracer" /
without text at all and so on..
so instead of creating one logo for all purposes could one create several
versions for paper prints / web-pages / start logo etc.

this is how logo-stuff is done in big firms i believe.

comments / suggestions?
-alt

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"vaihtoehto" wrote:
> comments / suggestions?

Yes! :-)

> i tried bigger font, but it draws attention away from logo itself (and
looks
> ugly too :)

How the font should be is a matter of taste. You like it better with a small
font, I like it better with a bigger font, and others probably likes it
better a third way. You say yourself that the text is not a part of the logo
itself, and since the competition is about the logo itself only, I suggest
that you simply submit the logo without text at all.

> i tried italic, but that looked somewhat crappy and more like a
> lufthansa/finnair/whatever logo than persistence of vision raytracer.

A matter of taste.

> i was thinking that it could be possible to create "house type" (i don't
> know english term): same theme (circle and V in my entry) but different
> versions. with text "ray" / "pov-ray" / "persistence of Vision raytracer"
/
> without text at all and so on..
> so instead of creating one logo for all purposes could one create several
> versions for paper prints / web-pages / start logo etc.

Well, the logo itself should always be exactly the same (except for
resolutions etc.), but if the logo was without the text one could place text
next to it as one please. That would in fact work the same way as you
suggests yourself, except that there's a more clear definition of what the
logo is.

What is your opinion?

Greetings,

Rune

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Rune wrote:
>You say yourself that the text is not a part of the logo
>itself, and since the competition is about the logo itself only, I suggest
>that you simply submit the logo without text at all.

simple yet elegant suggestion :)
still, some text underneath logo itself balances whole picture quite well,
it's unstable without text.

i seem to have some kind of mental problems with making decisions..

anyway, i won't whine anymore about this subject and you could change
pictures on your site to those new ones i posted: ray*.png images with text
"ray".

if you are still interested :)

-alt

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by the way, thanks for that competition info you posted.
were / are there any rules i should aware of? (he asked, but way too late!
:)

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"vaihtoehto" wrote:
> Rune wrote:
> >You say yourself that the text is not a part of the logo
> >itself, and since the competition is about the logo itself only, I
suggest
> >that you simply submit the logo without text at all.
>
> simple yet elegant suggestion :)
> still, some text underneath logo itself balances whole picture quite well,
> it's unstable without text.

I have to agree on that one. Still, the final logo, whether with text or
not, must always be the same. That is, if the final logo includes text, then
the logo must always include that text, since it is a part of the logo.

> i seem to have some kind of mental problems with making decisions..
>
> anyway, i won't whine anymore about this subject and you could change
> pictures on your site to those new ones i posted: ray*.png images with
text
> "ray".

Hey, I can include both versions if you like!
Then the voters will be the ones to decide.
While I'm at it I could also include the version of your logo that I made
myself (the one with big ugly italic text), but I feel it's a little like
stealing so I don't know...

> if you are still interested :)

This is not an official competition with real deadlines.
I would like this interesting discussion to take the time it takes. :-)

Greetings,

Rune

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