This is yet another rendition of a scene I've been returning to off and
on over the past year or so. Forget about the "city" of Seattle, it
ain't gonna happen! At least not in the near future (if ever).
Moon is a NASA image and Mount Ranier is a USGS DEM (actually 3
altogether but only slivers of other 2 show here). The scaling of the
DEMs in the upward direction seems to distort the height_field somewhat
but I had to try and get the actual mountain elevation to look correct.
The terrain is not as jagged in real life.
Oh yeah, I've thought about adding in a gamma correction helper graphic
to my images so others may at least attempt to see what they are
supposed to be seeing. This ones in the bottom right corner, obviously;
tried to keep it tiny yet observable. 100% red, green, blue, black, and
white.

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Thanks for the encouragement to keep at it.
How about getting a working picture in here next time? Your moonex.gif
didn't show up in Netscape Communicator newsreader, Windows Explorer
preview or Picture Publisher. Seems to be broken, says error opening.
Ambient set at 3.0 huh? Talk about sounding pretty bright.
I intentionally went for a very luminous moon so it would look like a
photo that doesn't compensate for the brightness versus all the darker
parts, hence the fairly well lit landscape. No way was I going to try
for individual trees, but I have plans for faking it.
As for Seattle scenery, only idea there is for adding the monorail train
in but probably only for a ground level view. Afraid that putting
buildings in would mess it up since I'd probably only manage to make
randomized ones that don't appear right. Never really know though,
there's always a chance, isn't there?

Marc Schimmler wrote:
> 
> Hi Bob!
> 
> This one develops nicely!
> 
> Well the bare mountains in the back look a bit like the surface of the
> moon but this pic improves from posting to posting and shows all the
> dedication you put into it.
> 
> Will you add some Seattle scenery to it?
> 
> The moon IMHO is too bright. I work on a scene at the moment were I also
> added a moon.
> 
> I thought I may be of interest for you so I attached the part of the
> picture to this post.
> 
> Here's the code I used for it:
> 
> object {
> sphere {<0.5,0.5,0>,0.5
> pigment { image_map {tga "moont.tga" once interpolate 2 }}
> finish  {ambient 3.0}
> translate <-0.5,-0.5,0>
> scale 100
>   }
>  }
> 
> What do you think?
> 
> Marc
> --
> Marc Schimmler
> 
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>  [Image]

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Bob Hughes wrote:
> 
> This is yet another rendition of a scene I've been returning to off and
> on over the past year or so. Forget about the "city" of Seattle, it
> ain't gonna happen! At least not in the near future (if ever).
> Moon is a NASA image and Mount Ranier is a USGS DEM (actually 3
> altogether but only slivers of other 2 show here). The scaling of the
> DEMs in the upward direction seems to distort the height_field somewhat
> but I had to try and get the actual mountain elevation to look correct.
> The terrain is not as jagged in real life.
> Oh yeah, I've thought about adding in a gamma correction helper graphic
> to my images so others may at least attempt to see what they are
> supposed to be seeing. This ones in the bottom right corner, obviously;
> tried to keep it tiny yet observable. 100% red, green, blue, black, and
> white.
> 
> --
>  omniVERSE: beyond the universe
>   http://members.aol.com/inversez/POVring.htm
> =Bob
> 

This one develops nicely!

Well the bare mountains in the back look a bit like the surface of the
moon but this pic improves from posting to posting and shows all the
dedication you put into it. 

Will you add some Seattle scenery to it?

The moon IMHO is too bright. I work on a scene at the moment were I also
added a moon.

I thought I may be of interest for you so I attached the part of the
picture to this post. 

Here's the code I used for it:

object {
sphere {<0.5,0.5,0>,0.5 
pigment { image_map {tga "moont.tga" once interpolate 2 }}
finish  {ambient 3.0}
translate <-0.5,-0.5,0>
scale 100
  }
 }


What do you think?


Marc

P.S.:
I canceled my first answer because the attached got messed up!
Hopefully this one works!
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He's posted one I can read now. :)

I like the image. I think that Rainier is a little close, but I know the
foothills are really *more* jagged. The overall effect is still excellent.
I've been near the spot you have depicted, save perhaps that the precise
spot is inside of something. I know there are a lot of trees nearby, the
science fair, the air museum, and buildings off in the distance. This should
be possible, though require patience and dedication.

Still, you've done a lot already!

KOT,
GrimDude
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GrimDude wrote:
> 
> He's posted one I can read now. :)
> 
> I like the image. I think that Rainier is a little close, but I know the
> foothills are really *more* jagged. The overall effect is still excellent.
> I've been near the spot you have depicted, save perhaps that the precise
> spot is inside of something. I know there are a lot of trees nearby, the
> science fair, the air museum, and buildings off in the distance. This should
> be possible, though require patience and dedication.
> 
> Still, you've done a lot already!
> 
> KOT,
> GrimDude
> vos### [at] arkansasnet

Well since he already cheated <G> and used an image map for the moon
why not use artistic license and use an image map of the seattle
sky line and add it ala silluoette in the background ? The emphasis
of the image is the uniquely shaped space needle anyway and perhaps
no one will notice.

BTW looking good Bob.

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It's just that it's so real! :)

GrimDude
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Well the story behind the picture is: it's based upon (measured off of)
a poster I have of it taken, I guess, from Queen Anne Hill. The
orientation and camera location isn't far off from the original so you
may be thinking of that hill. It is very close to what the picture
shows, a young Space Needle at that, no lower platform building
present.You might think of the mountain as close but I've considered it
and the moon both to be telephoto objects, seen as though magnified
through a zoom lense. In which case actually I may have the mountain too
small compared to the moon, not sure.
You may be right about getting more of the Seattle Center added in at
least. Depends on whether I drop it or keep at it long enough.
Thanks for the remarks.

GrimDude wrote:
> 
> He's posted one I can read now. :)
> 
> I like the image. I think that Rainier is a little close, but I know the
> foothills are really *more* jagged. The overall effect is still excellent.
> I've been near the spot you have depicted, save perhaps that the precise
> spot is inside of something. I know there are a lot of trees nearby, the
> science fair, the air museum, and buildings off in the distance. This should
> be possible, though require patience and dedication.
> 
> Still, you've done a lot already!
> 
> KOT,
> GrimDude
> vos### [at] arkansasnet

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Ah yes, I felt it a bit un-pov-like to use the externally made image_map
and hf. But then that is something pov can do well, taking in external
sources, and rendering them.
I did use a part of the poster I drew this from as a city backdrop but
I'm going to remove the image from my "gallery". Don't want to have a
copyrighted piece of material there, although it is only a section of
the poster; none-the-less, it goes.
Wish now I had thought to get a photo last time I was there, last 2
times for that matter. I do have a skyline picture from Alki Beach
across the bay but that's no good for realities sake and it is a pretty
small and distant view.
Thanks much Ken for the praise. I'll build a shrine to me and say you
endorsed it :) That should mean something.


Ken wrote:
> 
> Well since he already cheated <G> and used an image map for the moon
> why not use artistic license and use an image map of the seattle
> sky line and add it ala silluoette in the background ? The emphasis
> of the image is the uniquely shaped space needle anyway and perhaps
> no one will notice.
> 
> BTW looking good Bob.
> 
> --
> Ken Tyler
> 
> tyl### [at] pacbellnet

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Really great. I posted something, I thought, to the first post you made
I guess but I didn't see the moon picture in the other newsreader.
This makes me think the bump_map is too much for a Moon viewed from
Earth, yours look very much as if through binoculars. Guess the shadowy
place is a cloud? Or is that in the image_map? I see you mapped it
planar onto a sphere too, surprised to see that work out so well. Only
problem I see with it is the brown areas. Maybe thats on the image_map
itself too?
I'm definately goin to look into less bump_map. I'll have to rumage
through some of my moon photos here I've taken through the telescope.
As I said in my first post that appears to have vanished, I've got an
idea on fixing up the HF to make it more tree covered.
As for the addition of other city stuff, not much likely except maybe
the monorail train which runs from downtown Seattle to the Space Needle.
If I'm still at this thing in 2001 maybe a cityscape will emerge as
well, but I'm doubting everything for now. Other renders to do as well
you know.
Btw, the reason for a bright moon, I was thinking of photography and the
overexposure of bright objects by comparison to the darker. The Moon
usually only looks dimmer if near a hazy horizon or looked at a minute
by human eye or photographed by itself, so I was going for the time
exposure look. Which reminds me, I'll need to work out motion blur for
the elevators someday too.

Marc Schimmler wrote:
> 
> This one develops nicely!
> 
> Well the bare mountains in the back look a bit like the surface of the
> moon but this pic improves from posting to posting and shows all the
> dedication you put into it.
> 
> Will you add some Seattle scenery to it?
> 
> The moon IMHO is too bright. I work on a scene at the moment were I also
> added a moon.
> 
> I thought I may be of interest for you so I attached the part of the
> picture to this post.
> 
> Here's the code I used for it:
> 
> object {
> sphere {<0.5,0.5,0>,0.5
> pigment { image_map {tga "moont.tga" once interpolate 2 }}
> finish  {ambient 3.0}
> translate <-0.5,-0.5,0>
> scale 100
>   }
>  }
> 
> What do you think?
> 
> Marc
> 
> P.S.:
> I canceled my first answer because the attached got messed up!
> Hopefully this one works!
> --
> Marc Schimmler
> 
>   ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>  [Image]

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Bob Hughes wrote:

> As for the addition of other city stuff, not much likely except maybe
> the monorail train which runs from downtown Seattle to the Space Needle.
> If I'm still at this thing in 2001 maybe a cityscape will emerge as
> well, but I'm doubting everything for now. Other renders to do as well
> you know.
> =Bob

I recently talked to Chris Colefax (via email) and he mentioned that
his cityscape generating include file is very near completion. The
use of his new file may be just what the scene doctor ordered :)

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