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>> The thing is, the guys I'm looking at seemingly have a stack of
>> graduate opportunities, all slightly different. I can't see one
>> specific job in their list where I tick *all* of the boxes. But given
>> that I'm the sort of nutcase who is likely to open up Wikipedia and
>> learn about active power factor correction JUST FOR THE HELL OF IT (!),
>
> Well you are also the kind of guy that is *in* wikipedia, not many
> people that will apply for a job there can say that.
Mmm, really?
> Actually... perhaps better if you don't mention it.
Well, I don't know. The whole "I'm so damned bored with swapping tapes
over that I spend all day surfing the net" kinda points out that my
skills are currently vastly under-utilised. OTOH, suggested that I get
bored easily and am inclined to do stuff I'm not supposed to be doing is
probably not a good idea... On balance, I'm unsure which side wins.
> Or, the internet being what it is, shall
> we promote you to a full article including some remarks that may even
> help you in getting a job? We do have stuff enough I would say ;)
LOL! Yes, people of POV-Ray, get me hired!!eleven!
(Let's face it, the chances of you getting me laid are way smaller...)
>> Now, how the **** do I tell them that? (Especially given that they
>> seem to want you to apply using an online application process where
>> you specify a specific job you're applying for, and there doesn't seem
>> to be a way to contact a human about this.) I think if I could just
>> persuade them to interview me and talk to me, they could probably find
>> something useful to employ me for. But how?
>
> You apply for just one of the jobs, preferable one that might suit you,
> and during the interview they will find out which one actually does fit.
> If there is a lot of jobs open they will in every interview consider
> all jobs.
Is that how the game works? Hmm...
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On 12-Jan-09 21:32, Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>>> The thing is, the guys I'm looking at seemingly have a stack of
>>> graduate opportunities, all slightly different. I can't see one
>>> specific job in their list where I tick *all* of the boxes. But given
>>> that I'm the sort of nutcase who is likely to open up Wikipedia and
>>> learn about active power factor correction JUST FOR THE HELL OF IT (!),
>>
>> Well you are also the kind of guy that is *in* wikipedia, not many
>> people that will apply for a job there can say that.
>
> Mmm, really?
yip
>> Actually... perhaps better if you don't mention it.
>
> Well, I don't know. The whole "I'm so damned bored with swapping tapes
> over that I spend all day surfing the net" kinda points out that my
> skills are currently vastly under-utilised. OTOH, suggested that I get
> bored easily and am inclined to do stuff I'm not supposed to be doing is
> probably not a good idea... On balance, I'm unsure which side wins.
Luckily it does not tell that.
>> Or, the internet being what it is, shall we promote you to a full
>> article including some remarks that may even help you in getting a
>> job? We do have stuff enough I would say ;)
>
> LOL! Yes, people of POV-Ray, get me hired!!eleven!
>
> (Let's face it, the chances of you getting me laid are way smaller...)
I don't think I'll take on that bet. We do have this problem of you
having only a BSc while with your capacities and sort of job you are
looking for it should have been an MSc (at least here in academia). If
you ever find another job, look good at the options for study they
offer. (And if I find one for you, you may be assured that we will have
a heavy training program included. It is not as if you have anything to
do at night anyway)
>>> Now, how the **** do I tell them that? (Especially given that they
>>> seem to want you to apply using an online application process where
>>> you specify a specific job you're applying for, and there doesn't
>>> seem to be a way to contact a human about this.) I think if I could
>>> just persuade them to interview me and talk to me, they could
>>> probably find something useful to employ me for. But how?
>>
>> You apply for just one of the jobs, preferable one that might suit
>> you, and during the interview they will find out which one actually
>> does fit. If there is a lot of jobs open they will in every interview
>> consider all jobs.
>
> Is that how the game works? Hmm...
yes.
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>> LOL! Yes, people of POV-Ray, get me hired!!eleven!
>>
>> (Let's face it, the chances of you getting me laid are way smaller...)
>
> I don't think I'll take on that bet. We do have this problem of you
> having only a BSc while with your capacities and sort of job you are
> looking for it should have been an MSc (at least here in academia). If
> you ever find another job, look good at the options for study they
> offer. (And if I find one for you, you may be assured that we will have
> a heavy training program included. It is not as if you have anything to
> do at night anyway)
The position(s) I'm looking at specifically say "BSc 2:1 or higher",
which is exactly what I have. They're specifically graduate-level
positions. (If anything, my sister thinks that because I haven't
*recently* graduated, they might not be interested.)
>>> You apply for just one of the jobs, preferable one that might suit
>>> you, and during the interview they will find out which one actually
>>> does fit. If there is a lot of jobs open they will in every
>>> interview consider all jobs.
>>
>> Is that how the game works? Hmm...
>
> yes.
Heh. Well I guess I'd better get on with it then! :-S
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On 12-Jan-09 22:03, Orchid XP v8 wrote:
>>> LOL! Yes, people of POV-Ray, get me hired!!eleven!
>>>
>>> (Let's face it, the chances of you getting me laid are way smaller...)
>>
>> I don't think I'll take on that bet. We do have this problem of you
>> having only a BSc while with your capacities and sort of job you are
>> looking for it should have been an MSc (at least here in academia). If
>> you ever find another job, look good at the options for study they
>> offer. (And if I find one for you, you may be assured that we will
>> have a heavy training program included. It is not as if you have
>> anything to do at night anyway)
>
> The position(s) I'm looking at specifically say "BSc 2:1 or higher",
> which is exactly what I have. They're specifically graduate-level
> positions. (If anything, my sister thinks that because I haven't
> *recently* graduated, they might not be interested.)
Or they might find out that you are actually slightly better than that*
because you have experience and the right stare of mind (in contrast to
dull business informatics guys). I think you're sister wants you to be
stuck in that miserable job forever, don't listen to her. ;)
*) remember, I assumed you had at least an MSc from what I knew you had
been doing in your free time.
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>> The position(s) I'm looking at specifically say "BSc 2:1 or higher",
>> which is exactly what I have. They're specifically graduate-level
>> positions. (If anything, my sister thinks that because I haven't
>> *recently* graduated, they might not be interested.)
>
> Or they might find out that you are actually slightly better than that*
> because you have experience and the right stare of mind (in contrast to
> dull business informatics guys).
Only if I can get through the door.
So far in my jobsearch, I have only been to one single interview. And
the interviewer appeared to be attempting to invent a reason to hire me
during the interview. o_O That being the case, if I can persuade them to
talk to me, I figure I've got a shot...
> I think you're sister wants you to be
> stuck in that miserable job forever, don't listen to her. ;)
Nah. I think she's just warning me that "graduate recruitment schemes"
might be closed to me at this point. But we'll see.
> *) remember, I assumed you had at least an MSc from what I knew you had
> been doing in your free time.
My sister really *does* have an MSc in Chemistry. She's now studying to
be an accountant. (WTF?)
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On 12-Jan-09 22:20, Orchid XP v8 wrote:
> My sister really *does* have an MSc in Chemistry. She's now studying to
> be an accountant. (WTF?)
I think she found out the the stuff that can dissolve anything does not
exist, at least not in chemistry. This time she may get lucky.
<careful> Slightly aside: if she is studying, why aren't you? </careful>
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andrel wrote:
> <careful> Slightly aside: if she is studying, why aren't you? </careful>
Because I enjoy being able to go to sleep if I'm tired? (My sister
apparently doesn't sleep any more. Not enough time for sleeping.)
Besides, I only narrowly avoided failing my BSc, and an MSc is even
harder. I'd stand no chance!
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"Orchid XP v8" <voi### [at] dev null> wrote in message
news:496ba8e8$1@news.povray.org...
> Is that how the game works? Hmm...
Erm, YES. If you're useful in any regard, they will most definately study
you with much thought. Bloody hell man, SELL yourself! Jeez, just go for it.
Call them by phone, and tell them that you have more to say than you can on
the online form! Seriously. Life has many paths, explore the ones that fit
you best.
I think generally, we've been saying this for the last 3 or 4 years now,
and you've never taken anything on board - or so it seems.
Good luck with your new job, tell *us* all about it first! ;)
~Steve~
>
> --
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Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> The thing is, the guys I'm looking at seemingly have a stack of graduate
> opportunities, all slightly different. I can't see one specific job in
> their list where I tick *all* of the boxes. But given that I'm the sort
> of nutcase who is likely to open up Wikipedia and learn about active
> power factor correction JUST FOR THE HELL OF IT (!), it would seem that
> I would be emminently suited to these kinds of jobs - even if I don't
> know all the necessary theory right this second. I have the power to
> learn it, and that surely is what counts.
>
> Now, how the **** do I tell them that? (Especially given that they seem
> to want you to apply using an online application process where you
> specify a specific job you're applying for, and there doesn't seem to be
> a way to contact a human about this.) I think if I could just persuade
> them to interview me and talk to me, they could probably find something
> useful to employ me for. But how?
Cover letter.
If you can convey this kind of enthusiasm through that, it's a big step toward
being noticed. Look online for examples. Find a way to relate your enthusiasm
for learning and problem solving to their needs as a company. I just sent a
cover letter and resume to a company with one posting for an electrical
engineer (not me!). Since it didn't apply, I circumvented the website system
and send it directly to HR, thinking it would surely disappear into the void.
Instead, I'll get my chance to talk with them tomorrow morning. The point is
that no matter what, the worst they can do is to ignore you, and the best they
can do is to hire you (OK, not strictly true, but let's be reasonable here).
- Ricky
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>> Is that how the game works? Hmm...
>
> Erm, YES. If you're useful in any regard, they will most definately study
> you with much thought. Bloody hell man, SELL yourself! Jeez, just go for it.
I'm just concerned that I apply for the "wrong" thing, they look, see I
don't have what's wanted for that job, and summarily delete my
application without realising that I'd be useful for some other job they
have. That's all.
> Call them by phone, and tell them that you have more to say than you can on
> the online form! Seriously. Life has many paths, explore the ones that fit
> you best.
They deliberately don't provide a telephone number. You can call their
sales department, or their finance department, but you're not allowed to
call HR. You must use the online form. (Presumably because they get too
many time-wasters...)
> I think generally, we've been saying this for the last 3 or 4 years now,
> and you've never taken anything on board - or so it seems.
Really? Perhaps the two weeks I spent improving my CV was just a
dream... :-P
> Good luck with your new job, tell *us* all about it first! ;)
Like there was ever any debate about that part. ;-)
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