 |
|
|
|
|
|
| |
| |
|
|
|
|
| |
| |
|
|
Ron Parker wrote:
> On Tue, 10 Aug 1999 22:58:00 -0400, Matt Giwer wrote:
> > I am unaware NS and MS being thrown off the RFC committees for
> >failure to comply.
> There is no RFC committee. There never was. There never will be. And neither
> Netscape nor Microsoft would care anyway, as they're too busy carving out
> "market share" to want to bother with standards.
No committes? That is going to be an awful surprise to the
committee members.
But if you to not like NS and MS don't take it out on me. Mongo
is but a pawn in the game of life.
> > Did I miss that post? Can you direct me to it?
> That would be the one where Warp said "get rid of the vcard crap."
And I should obey orders to be polite. Following orders is not a
defense as you know. I did not realize Warp was der Feuhrer.
> Works for me. Welcome to my killfile.
And that is what I recommended all along.
> If it seems lonely, that's because
> it is. The only company you'll have in there is a few threads, because
> none of the other people on here have been stupid enough to end up there.
Speaking of ego, lonely without you? Oh the abandonment of it
all!
> > As to three people it annoys and for the math guy in you, that
> >is (users<sub>tot</sub> - 3) who are at least polite enough to
> >deal with the world as it is. Is that number significantly
> >different from (users<sub>tot</sub> - 1)?
> Ugh. HTML to do math. When will it end? Everyone knows you use TeX to
> do math. :) I should point out that the four (I was mistaken) users who
> have objected to vcards are among the most prolific posters and helpful
> people on this server. I would have thought their opinion was worth
> something to you.
Ah well, what can we do against the people who smash the sewing
machines. They are all dunderheads. Luddites in the old days.
Today they curse graphics capable machines on the most renouned
graphics website in the known universe.
Are we not impressed that these folks who have not the least
problem with at 1.2M grasphics file are making such an ego play
over 24 short lines of text?
Are we supposed to take these people seriously?
> > You folks are really insisting upon a pissing contest to waste
> >disk space. Why is it so important to you?
> Because we'd like to be able to read your posts. Well, everyone but
> me anyway. I couldn't care less at this point.
So do not read them. Makes no difference to me. I would prefer
you never read a word I post again. Please filter me in stead of
complaining.
--
Oh my God! They've rendered Kenny!
Post a reply to this message
Attachments:
Download 'us-ascii' (1 KB)
|
|
| |
| |
|
|
|
|
| |
| |
|
|
On Wed, 11 Aug 1999 12:50:56 -0400, Matt Giwer wrote:
>> There is no RFC committee. There never was. There never will be. And neither
>> Netscape nor Microsoft would care anyway, as they're too busy carving out
>> "market share" to want to bother with standards.
>
> No committes? That is going to be an awful surprise to the
>committee members.
There are the IETF and W3C and such organizations, but RFCs can be and
are submitted by anyone without any committee involvement, unless that's
changed within the past few years. As it happens, I spoke too quickly:
vcard actually is covered by an RFC. But then, so is netiquette. :)
>> Works for me. Welcome to my killfile.
>
> And that is what I recommended all along.
Actually, I've taken you back out because I found a better solution, which I
have recommended to Warp as well. I no longer see vcard information, because
I modified my newsreader to kill the remainder of an article when it sees a
line containing the vcard MIME content type. Open Source is such a beautiful
thing.
>> If it seems lonely, that's because
>> it is. The only company you'll have in there is a few threads, because
>> none of the other people on here have been stupid enough to end up there.
>
> Speaking of ego, lonely without you? Oh the abandonment of it
>all!
Ah, that was supposed to be a joke. You were the only person in my killfile,
so I thought you might get lonely in there with just a couple threads to
interact with.
> Ah well, what can we do against the people who smash the sewing
>machines. They are all dunderheads. Luddites in the old days.
>Today they curse graphics capable machines on the most renouned
>graphics website in the known universe.
Not at all. I use Windows myself, as you can see from my headers. I just
know when a GUI is useful and when it isn't. I read .binaries.images in
Netscape; everything else I use a more efficient interface for.
>--
>Oh my God! They've rendered Kenny!
>--------------EE4E7EA13D77C4C3F8740D29
The above is what I see at the end of your posts now. Ahhhh, that's so
much better! :)
Post a reply to this message
|
|
| |
| |
|
|
|
|
| |
| |
|
|
Ron Parker wrote:
If there is a matter of game playing I do not like, in your last
post you said "welcome to my killfile." And here you are
responsding after I am your killfile.
Please, do not raise in me false expectations of logical
discourse. If I am killed then I am killed, right? Please act ast
you say you do.
This is most disturbing and it might incite me to respond in
kind.
Post a reply to this message
|
|
| |
| |
|
|
|
|
| |
| |
|
|
On Wed, 11 Aug 1999 13:58:34 -0400, Matt Giwer wrote:
>Ron Parker wrote:
>
> If there is a matter of game playing I do not like, in your last
>post you said "welcome to my killfile." And here you are
>responsding after I am your killfile.
>
> Please, do not raise in me false expectations of logical
>discourse. If I am killed then I am killed, right? Please act ast
>you say you do.
>
> This is most disturbing and it might incite me to respond in
>kind.
I said I removed you from my killfile, did I not? That removal corresponded
with the success of my patch to banish vcards from my sight. I even said as
much in the post you're replying to here.
Now, the vcard issue seems to be resolved. Those of us with text-mode
newsreaders almost certainly have source and can filter out vcards if
we wish, and you've at least temporarily removed yours anyway so that
already eliminates most of the vcards we would see in any given day.
Wish I'd have had that idea last night, before this whole mess started.
I'd say the time has come for the flamewar to end, wouldn't you? Can
we just go back to the old POV community cameraderie now?
Post a reply to this message
|
|
| |
| |
|
|
|
|
| |
| |
|
|
Nieminen Mika wrote:
>
> Matt Giwer <mgi### [at] giwersworld org> wrote:
> :> but even when you would never know that I'm
> :> automatically ignoring your posts,
>
> : Why in the hell would I care?
>
> It may sound hypocritical, but I have conscience. As I have posted earlier,
> I don't think you are a disgusting person. Filtering you would be to me the
> same as saying "I don't like that person, he is disgusting and I don't want
> to see him anymore". That's not true. I want to read your articles. You
> have many good things to say about POV-Ray.
> Perhaps you don't care if someone ignores you, but I certainly care if
> I make such a radical thing.
>
> If my signature really annoys you, I can remove it. No problem.
>
> --
> main(i,_){for(_?--i,main(i+2,"FhhQHFIJD|FQTITFN]zRFHhhTBFHhhTBFysdB"[i]
> ):5;i&&_>1;printf("%s",_-70?_&1?"[]":" ":(_=0,"\n")),_/=2);} /*- Warp -*/
Your sig annoys no more than any other. I would not want your to
remove it on my accont. I only used it as an example.
I might suggest a bit of variety to as I am starting.
There was an unfortunate confrontation. Both have withdraen. No
winner, no loser. Everything is as though it had not happened. My
memory isn't that long anyway.
Humility is the path to learning.
--
<blink>---please--don't---</blink>
http://www.giwersworld.org/artiii/
Oh my God! They've rendered Kenny!
Post a reply to this message
|
|
| |
| |
|
|
|
|
| |
| |
|
|
Ron Parker wrote:
> On Wed, 11 Aug 1999 13:58:34 -0400, Matt Giwer wrote:
> >Ron Parker wrote:
> > If there is a matter of game playing I do not like, in your last
> >post you said "welcome to my killfile." And here you are
> >responsding after I am your killfile.
> > Please, do not raise in me false expectations of logical
> >discourse. If I am killed then I am killed, right? Please act ast
> >you say you do.
> > This is most disturbing and it might incite me to respond in
> >kind.
> I said I removed you from my killfile, did I not?
Please, such comments are condescending. Do not! That is my ego
and your loss.
But yes, the flame war is over I hope. No one wanted it. It just
happened.
> I'd say the time has come for the flamewar to end, wouldn't you? Can
> we just go back to the old POV community cameraderie now?
It is over for me. But I am an arrogant asshole so the future
can not be promised.
Now POV, I as learning as everyone else, there are no rules or
protocls. No prolbem in the least.
But let us leave internet protocols out of POV on all sides. IT
is a seprate matter and there are better newsgroups for it.
--
<blink>---please--don't---</blink>
http://www.giwersworld.org/artiii/
Oh my God! They've rendered Kenny!
Post a reply to this message
|
|
| |
| |
|
|
|
|
| |
| |
|
|
Ken,
I have always found your sense of humour really amusing though
sometimes a bit twisted and finger-freezing :) Hence, I am 100% sure
you are just kidding at the end of this post. Still, I'll take a bite
at that bait, thank you :)
<takes the bait>
When I was looking for a decent newsreader [I was using Outlook
Express back then :( ], I grepped all lines starting with "X-Mailer"
out of the Outlook data files and sorted them, then removed the
duplicates. I came up with a list of newsreaders that I hadn't heard
about, like uka_ppp, crosspoint, knews, MT-NewsWatcher, News Xpress,
NoticiasUPU, TIN, Turnpike, WinVN etc. I then asked about those here
in the ng. You seemed to be following the thread judging from your
short yet informative answer (<quote Ken> Netscape </quote Ken>). So
you've heard about TIN after all :)
BTW I am ready to bet my disability pension that there are less than a
dozen people in Bulgaria that have heard of POV-Ray, less than half a
dozen that have seen it, and less than one third of a dozen that
actually use it, and heck I'm gonna win that bet! That doesn't mean
POV is
<gulp!>
<gathers courage>
not a great program
<gulp!>
<hides in a corner>
does it? :)
<spits bait, ha!>
Peter Popov
ICQ: 15002700
Post a reply to this message
|
|
| |
| |
|
|
|
|
| |
| |
|
|
On Wed, 11 Aug 1999 12:16:16 -0400, "Bernd M. Jordan"
<ber### [at] sbssiemenscom> wrote:
>I didn't say that either. However, my feeling is that a newsreader unable to
>process VCards, or any other form of binary attachment is lacking some of
>the new features.
don't feel a particular need for my newsreader to decode vcards. I can read
it with Netscape if I choose, but I don't.
Vcards are harmless clutter. No more offensive than a sig but flashier so
it is harder to ignore. I prefer text.
I have no intention of demanding that anyone stop using vcards but I would
hope that they consider doing so.
"Part left out cost nothing and cause no service problems." - Charles "Boss"
Kettering
--
Alan
--------------------------------------------------------------------
http://www.povray.org - Home of the Persistence of Vision Ray Tracer
news.povray.org - where POV-Ray enthusiasts around the world can get
together to exchange ideas, information, and experiences with others
--------------------------------------------------------------------
Post a reply to this message
|
|
| |
| |
|
|
|
|
| |
| |
|
|
Peter Popov wrote:
>
> Ken,
>
> I have always found your sense of humour really amusing though
> sometimes a bit twisted and finger-freezing :) Hence, I am 100% sure
> you are just kidding at the end of this post. Still, I'll take a bite
> at that bait, thank you :)
I was kidding in my own twisted way of course.
Ron is really no fun sometimes :)
> <takes the bait>
Fish on quick set the hook !
> When I was looking for a decent newsreader [I was using Outlook
> Express back then :( ], I grepped all lines starting with "X-Mailer"
> out of the Outlook data files and sorted them, then removed the
> duplicates. I came up with a list of newsreaders that I hadn't heard
> about, like uka_ppp, crosspoint, knews, MT-NewsWatcher, News Xpress,
> NoticiasUPU, TIN, Turnpike, WinVN etc. I then asked about those here
> in the ng. You seemed to be following the thread judging from your
> short yet informative answer (<quote Ken> Netscape </quote Ken>). So
> you've heard about TIN after all :)
Only quite recently or I had totally forgotten about it. I seem to
recall your quest for a new news program stemmed from eternal problems
with the computer you were using at the time. Netscape was crashing on
a continual basis and windows was even unstable to the point where you
could hardly operate on it anymore. At that time your quest for a stable
platform and news reader really began as I recall.
I remember this well because I was having similar problems as you and
could not for the life of me figure out what the problem was. It turned
out in my case to have been an overheating problem of my CPU. Once I
got that cooled down Windows quit crashing all the time as did Pov and
Netscape. It took me nearly 5 months to figure that out and I had to
reinstall windows and netscape several times because of system errors
caused by the overheating CPU. I never realized how unstabel a computer
could become when the /CPU overheated. Nothing was safe when it was and
any operation system or software was at risk because of it.
Serious frustration was endured during that time period but now all is
sunny and unruffled with me. In fact my current session of windows has
been running for nearly 550 hrs. now and shows no sign of stopping
unless I choose to end it myself.
> BTW I am ready to bet my disability pension that there are less than a
> dozen people in Bulgaria that have heard of POV-Ray, less than half a
> dozen that have seen it, and less than one third of a dozen that
> actually use it, and heck I'm gonna win that bet! That doesn't mean
> POV is
>
> <gulp!>
> <gathers courage>
>
> not a great program
>
> <gulp!>
> <hides in a corner>
>
> does it? :)
>
> <spits bait, ha!>
Nope your in the net buddy.
Pov is not great. It is the best !
--
Ken Tyler
See my 700+ Povray and 3D Rendering and Raytracing Links at:
http://home.pacbell.net/tylereng/index.html
Post a reply to this message
|
|
| |
| |
|
|
|
|
| |
| |
|
|
Matt Giwer wrote in message <37B0C653.1FF33DE0@giwersworld.org>...
> So far as I can tell, one person appears to have a problem. And
>his problem is that his newsreader is the lowest common
>denominator. And if you do not mind, that bothers me. If someone
>wants to complain my website is not compatible with Lynx, I do
>not think my response would be belligerant.
My objection to the vcards is that vcards costs me 0.0006 cents for connect
time for each message you send, plus another 0.0005 cents for the disk space
that the card takes up. I may need to file a lawsuit to recover the costs
of all these vcards :-)
Mark
Post a reply to this message
|
|
| |
| |
|
|
|
|
| |
|
|
