Warp <war### [at] tagpovrayorg> wrote:

>   The new features look exciting. I have never tried any of the scattered
> patches for 3.5 as I have been waiting for the unified patch, MegaPOV.
> It will be interesting to play with those.

Especially because MegaPOV is backwards compatible with Pov-Ray 3.5.
You can not go wrong by using MegaPOV.
If you don't use MegaPOV features, your results are the same and you are
virtually using Pov-Ray (official version), at least that is what we
agreed in the first place ;-) .

Yvo
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Thorsten Froehlich <tho### [at] trfde> wrote:


> I guess it is some rounding error in the default split time then.
> Essentially the sub-second precision of that function is useless (because it
> measure "OS scheduler noise").  So I will try to provide a better version of
> that function for 3.51.
Great!  Merging MP 1.0 with Pov-Ray 3.5.1 is a next step for us.

 
> PS: Is there any special trick to view the generic documentation?  It
> doesn't work properly under IE 5.0/5.2 Mac, Netscape 4.79 Mac, the Mac OS
Ok, it is rather special...
You should view these docs under X with Netscape 7.0.1 or Mozilla.
Don't use IE because IE... I prefer IE for day to day use but whenever
there is something special, IE messes up. Perhaps Bill doesn't like
Mac's? :-) :-)
Well... no,  we will have to figure out what is wrong in the docs.

Personally I use Chimera for OS X. A very nice browser for OS X.
We do know that the docs are not perfect for the mac builds of MegaPOV
but they will have to do for now.
We will try to improve things for a next release.


whenever possible you should use X and not -X.
I had to rerun 9 to test the classic version and the first thing I
encountered  was a total system freeze. I didn't had that for months
while running X!

Trying to convince the guys at http://www.versiontracker.com to fix the
links for people using system 8.5 or lower was a hard job. This shows
how many people are using X.

But you are right, the Mac docs must improve.
Yvo 


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Christopher James Huff <cja### [at] earthlinknet> wrote:

> In article <1fo2qcy.19ici8k1yzetmkN%yvos.s@gmx.net>,
>  yvo### [at] gmxnet (Yvo Smellenbergh) wrote:
> 
> > Well Chris, for some reason you never answered a mail I send you a few
> > weeks ago, perhaps you never received it.
> 
> Looking through my old emails, I found it. It was about the time I was
> moving back home from college, it just got set aside and forgotten. I
> also upgraded to OS X 10.2 about that time, I might have drafted a reply
> and lost it in importing the old mailboxes.
That is what we were thinking about, more important events for you at
that moment.
The reason the Glow_Patch was readded was that users wanted it back,
even if it wasn't perfect.
MegaPOV is suitable for "features-under-development". 

Simply contact me by e-mail to agree on a next update. 
 
> > The e-mail I send you today bounced back. Do you still have your account
> > at mac.com?
> > You still use it while posting in this ng.
You are still a Tag-member, arent't you? Why don't you use that as
signature when posting in these groups?
While being a Tag-member, you should be reacheable ;-)

> The correct address is in my signature, I just fixed the other setting.
> The mac.com address has been dead for a while (since "free for a 
> lifetime" turned into "$100 a year"), I don't know how that setting 
> survived.


Yvo


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In article <1fo366w.4sumen6c9b93N%yvos.s@gmx.net>,
 yvo### [at] gmxnet (Yvo Smellenbergh) wrote:

> The reason the Glow_Patch was readded was that users wanted it back,
> even if it wasn't perfect.

It does seem to be the most popular of my patches...never figured that 
out. Maybe it's just that it's hard to get wrong, fast, and gives pretty 
pictures with little or nothing else.


> MegaPOV is suitable for "features-under-development". 
> Simply contact me by e-mail to agree on a next update. 

Well, I'll get tired of working on Sapphire sometime soon...I go back to 
college on the 10th of next month, I might have extra time while classes 
are getting started. I'm taking harder courses though...in decreasing 
order of anticipated difficulty: English 2, Calculus 1, Physics, and 
Data Structures and Object Oriented Design.


> > > The e-mail I send you today bounced back. Do you still have your account
> > > at mac.com?
> > > You still use it while posting in this ng.
> You are still a Tag-member, arent't you? Why don't you use that as
> signature when posting in these groups?
> While being a Tag-member, you should be reacheable ;-)

Still haven't looked at my signature? ;-)

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In article <1fo34gi.tdwxvc1ys7g0kN%yvos.s@gmx.net>,
 yvo### [at] gmxnet (Yvo Smellenbergh) wrote:

> We do know users want it but the MP-Team voted against readding the mp
> 0.7 version.
> So, you will have to look out for a next version.

I've been thinking about this for a while...one thing I've always wanted 
was a way to create different "buffers" for filter input and output. 
That way, you could run two different filters on the raw image, and 
combine them with another filter, or output multiple processed versions 
of the same image.
Also, user-defined filters would be nice, but POV functions aren't very 
flexible, something like G would be better...I could get it into working 
order if there is interest. Actually, G could drive most of the image 
processing...

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Just checked (or "scanned") your web page, but I can't see anyting about
Sapphire. Is Sapphire the same as CSDL?

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In article <3e126ec9@news.povray.org>,
 "Apache" <apa### [at] yahoocom> wrote:

> Just checked (or "scanned") your web page, but I can't see anyting about
> Sapphire. Is Sapphire the same as CSDL?

Yes, Sapphire is the new name for CSDL. Or, since I never actually 
released the old VM under that name and the new one is rewritten from 
scratch, you could call it the successor to CSDL.

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Thorsten Froehlich wrote:
> 
> I guess it is some rounding error in the default split time then.
> Essentially the sub-second precision of that function is useless (because it
> measure "OS scheduler noise").  So I will try to provide a better version of
> that function for 3.51.

That seems a good idea, it is also broken in official POV on Linux, if you
have it rewritten it is probably a good idea to test if it fixes the
problems on all platforms since those do not necessarily have to be the
same.

> 
> PS: Is there any special trick to view the generic documentation?  It
> doesn't work properly under IE 5.0/5.2 Mac, Netscape 4.79 Mac, the Mac OS
> 8/9 Help Viewer or the Mac OS X Help Center.  As far as the error are
> concerned, IE does not render any of the examples correctly (some linefeed
> problem in the HTML I guess), Netscape does not render most of it at all
> (not really surprising though), and the Help Viewer/Center on the one hand
> never supported style sheets, but the cross-links don't work either, and
> there are some warning messages displayed (different ones, let me know if
> you want the exact text).  Oh, and apparently some images are not there
> because I get broken image images in all four programs.

Yvo already explained the Mac specialities - it looks fine on:

IE 5 Windows
Mozilla 1 Windows
Konqueror 3.0.1 Linux

but it has serious problems with Netscape 4.x - trying without the style
sheet might help.

Christoph

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> I've been thinking about this for a while...one thing I've always wanted
> was a way to create different "buffers" for filter input and output.

it also would be great to have an option to output an image as multiple
layers , a layer for each kind of contribution : diffuse, highlights,
reflection, refraction, radiosity, photons, media ..etc So we can do
compositing in post process (blur a reflection, add glow only on highlights,
increase radiosity brightness, and so on without the need to re render)

M

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Interesting idea! But in what layer would a reflection of a refraction
belong to?

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