Let me throw in my vote for editing POV files with gvim, which stays on
POVray color syntax.
I've deleted my Windows partition altogether ("I've deleted my Windows
partition..." any "Airplane" fans out there?)
--Mark

Peter Popov wrote:
> 
> 
> There are at least four tools that provide about the same
> functionality as the Windows GUI:
> 
> 1. vim and more precisely gvim (requires X and any of motif, athena or
> gtk)
> 2. SciTE (requires gtk)
> 3. Emacs (even better, XEmacs)
> 4. Wine :)
> 
> The first three have POV modes available. Some are outdated, some are
> better. The fourth one... no comment :)
> 
> Peter Popov ICQ : 15002700
> Personal e-mail : pet### [at] vipbg
> TAG      e-mail : pet### [at] tagpovrayorg

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On Fri, 13 Jul 2001 02:04:24 +0000, "Mark M. Wilson"
<mrm### [at] worldnetattnet> wrote:

>Let me throw in my vote for editing POV files with gvim, which stays on
>POVray color syntax.

Do you by any chance have an up-to-date version of pov.vim?


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Personal e-mail : pet### [at] vipbg
TAG      e-mail : pet### [at] tagpovrayorg

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There's an updated one in Vim 5.8. I have not looked at it
closely, so I can't tell if it has been updated that
much. It seems to be better than the previous one, though.

You can download this file directly from www.vim.org if you
prefer not to upgrade, though there's no reason not to
upgrade. Vim 5.8 is a bugfix release only.

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Peter Popov wrote:
> 
> 
> Do you by any chance have an up-to-date version of pov.vim?
>
No, I doubt it.  In fact, I'm not even certain what that is!  I'm not
one of those users who spends half his computer time keeping his system
absolutely cutting-edge.  My distribution is Libranet Linux, which is a
desktop-oriented dist. based on Debian (www.libranet.com, if interested,
but didn't you just install Slackware 8.0? I suppose you're not shopping
for a new dist.) and it's not even Libranet's latest version.  But it
has all I need so I haven't messed with it any.

One day I just discovered that gvim had Povray syntax highlighting
(although I've noticed a peculiar phenom. which no one has really solved
-- the colors of the highlighting are differenet depending on whether
gvim is started from an xterm or from the GUI menu.) and I've never
given a second thought to changing any settings.  

What IS pov.vim?

Thanks,
Mark
 
> Peter Popov ICQ : 15002700
> Personal e-mail : pet### [at] vipbg
> TAG      e-mail : pet### [at] tagpovrayorg

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On Mon, 16 Jul 2001 10:58:54 +0200, Adrien Beau
<adr### [at] sycomorefr> wrote:

>There's an updated one in Vim 5.8. 

I know. I built 5.8.3 from source and made it into a package. I have
custom-made almost all my Slackware packages since I got the disks a
few days ago. They reside in a directory called petrox, which is the
way I will call the Slack-based distro I am preparing for my own needs
:)


Peter Popov ICQ : 15002700
Personal e-mail : pet### [at] vipbg
TAG      e-mail : pet### [at] tagpovrayorg

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"Mark M. Wilson" wrote:
> 
> One day I just discovered that gvim had Povray syntax highlighting
> (although I've noticed a peculiar phenom. which no one has really solved
> -- the colors of the highlighting are differenet depending on whether
> gvim is started from an xterm or from the GUI menu.)

What kind of difference? Completely different, or some
colors changing a bit?

It might be due to the 'background' option. Type

	:set background?

and see if it has the same values from the GUI menu and
from the xterm.

> What IS pov.vim?

It is the file responsible for POV syntax highlighting. It lists
the keywords and lots of other rules to highlight numbers, strings,
directives and such. It is written in "Vim script", that explains
the .vim extension. See the "syntax" subdirectory in
/usr/share/vim/vim5.x (or wherever Libranet put it).

Most syntax files are made by users. The "old" pov.vim (vim 5.7
and earlier) had a basic, quickly-made POV syntax file. The "new"
pov.vim (vim 5.8 and later) seems to be better. I had began my
own syntax file but have stopped it when the "new" one was
released. I might rework on it though, because I think mine is
a bit better... :-)

And as I said, you're not obliged to upgrade your whole gvim
package. The Vim site has somewhere a list of all syntax files,
and you can download an up-to-date pov.vim there (well, I hope
so).

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Peter Popov wrote:
> 
> Do you by any chance have an up-to-date version of pov.vim?

BTW, I thought I would let you know that Vim 6.0 will
"soon" come in beta. That's probably two or three
weeks ahead of time. The alphas are already usable
(after all, RedHat shipped a december-2000 alpha
in its 7.1 version, though it was again the will of
Vim's author) and contain a *lot* of new stuff.
New features, several languages, improved manual.

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Adrien Beau wrote:
> 
> What kind of difference? Completely different, or some
> colors changing a bit?
> 

Completely different color sets -- the one started from the menu for
instance uses yellow (against a white background) for commands like
rotate & translate.  Too hard for these aging eyes to see!  So needless
to say, I try and start from a term. window.

> It might be due to the 'background' option. Type
> 
>         :set background?
> 
> and see if it has the same values from the GUI menu and
> from the xterm.

Will do. (when I get back from the beach, so it may be awhile...) 
Someone else thought it might have to do with some environment variable
somewhere, but he didn't venture a guess.

> 
> > What IS pov.vim?
> 
> It is the file responsible for POV syntax highlighting.

I figured as much.

 
> It lists the keywords and lots of other rules to highlight numbers, strings,
> directives and such. It is written in "Vim script", that explains
> the .vim extension. See the "syntax" subdirectory in
> /usr/share/vim/vim5.x (or wherever Libranet put it).
> 
> Most syntax files are made by users. The "old" pov.vim (vim 5.7
> and earlier) had a basic, quickly-made POV syntax file. The "new"
> pov.vim (vim 5.8 and later) seems to be better. I had began my
> own syntax file but have stopped it when the "new" one was
> released. I might rework on it though, because I think mine is
> a bit better... :-)
> 
> And as I said, you're not obliged to upgrade your whole gvim
> package. The Vim site has somewhere a list of all syntax files,
> and you can download an up-to-date pov.vim there (well, I hope
> so).
> 
Thanks very much! This may help solve my syntax color discrepancy.  I'll
investigate all this later when I get back from vacation!
--Mark

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"Mark M. Wilson" wrote:
> 
> Adrien Beau wrote:
> >
> > What kind of difference? Completely different, or some
> > colors changing a bit?
> 
> Completely different color sets -- the one started from the menu for
> instance uses yellow (against a white background) [...]

Ok, I've tested it, I can easily reproduce your problem.
It hurts the eyes!  8-(

Like I said, it's your "background" option that gets
set the wrong way. Vim has not many ways to guess
wether it is a light or dark background. It certainly
uses environment variables to check that, so the other
person was also right.

But hunting and changing the environment variables
can be a hassle. Adding the following line in your
.gvimrc will do the trick:

	set background=light

So when you fire gvim, you will get the "good" color
settings (dark colors for a light background).
When you fire vim, it will still try to guess
the background tone. You can add the line in
your .vimrc if you prefer, but the next time you
run vim in a terminal, you might be surprised by
dark colors on a dark background... :-)

And BTW, here's how to change the background
setting while running vim (your changes will
not be saved, this is a quick-fix trick)

	:syntax off
	:set background=light    (or dark)
	:syntax on

You will lose any custom color choice you had
made (e.g. in your .gvimrc) and get the Vim
default colors. Vim 6 will correct this problem.

Have a nice vacation! Full of rays, of course!

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October <ext### [at] yahoocom> wrote:
> I've recently upgraded to Mandrake 8.0 and I LOVE it.  

> I'm running it on a dual OS boot though, with Win98 (XP scares me but
> that's a different topic).   Why?

> I find myself booting into windows for only TWO things anymore:

> playing games (WINE has potential but isn't there quite yet)

Had to respond because nobody seemed to address the second reason ;)
There's quite a few Linux native games available from Loki and others,
see http://www.helsinki.fi/~rvaranka/Computer/Linux/Games.shtml for
more info. I've been using Linux as my primary gaming platform since
decent NVidia 3d drivers came out (about a year now). 

> working with PoVray

> I'm not an experienced user with Linux yet so I still find it much easier
> to boot into windows and use the provided GUI editor there.  I read
> somewhere that an X gui editor for pov may be included in a future
> release and so I am posting this...  Such a thing would give me (and many
> others) one less reason to use MS products at all.  

Well, why not learn some text editors and nice command-line utilities, 
not to mention a scripting language, like Python? Lots of power
to you to make your Povray visions come true. 

Or... do available (UNIX) GUIs for Povray offer some power that goes 
beyond what you can get as text-based? Guess I'm the command-line man,
using computers from the keyboard since I got that C-64 umm... 20 years
ago or so? Might still be worth looking, though :-,

-- 
Risto Varanka


> --October

> "In a world without walls who needs gates or windows?"

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