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"Edward C." wrote:
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> I apologise for the stir my initial post caused here, I had a simple
> question, which I decided to make a little more interesting with some sort
> of humour. A great deal of that humour was interpereted as nasty little
> digs (which in hindsight, is exactly how it is written). In future I will
> try to keep my humour a little more conventional.
> As for resolving the question, I will use either YYYYMMDD format or DD.MM.YY
> format as appropriate.
> I will not post to this thread again, and will cancel what I have posted,
> including this message, within a week.
>
> P.S. In future, if I make, or anyone else makes a comment which sounds
> inappropriate, it is probably a good idea to assume, at least initially,
> that they are trying to be funny. I don't think anyone comes here just to
> be rude.
Edward,
I took your message as partly humorous :) and perhaps my one reply :)
lacked in the needed quantity of smiley's :) :) to convey my one stance
on the date issue. Personaly if I were you I would wait to cancel your
message at least until Ron comes online tommorrow morning and let's you
know what the povray source code dating convention is :)
You must also remember :) that Americans such as myself :) are arrogant
and head strong :) and we staunchly defend our position on such things :)
right or wrong :) Don't take it personaly :)
--
Ken Tyler
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On Sun, 12 Sep 1999 18:21:29 -0700, Ken <tyl### [at] pacbell net> wrote:
> I took your message as partly humorous :) and perhaps my one reply :)
>lacked in the needed quantity of smiley's :) :) to convey my one stance
>on the date issue. Personaly if I were you I would wait to cancel your
>message at least until Ron comes online tommorrow morning and let's you
>know what the povray source code dating convention is :)
I'm online on the weekends too, you know. Just not as continuously. I
just did a quick survey of the code and it appears that the official POV
dating convention is... none. That's right, it depends on who wrote the
code. Most of the official comments seem to be of the form "Oct 1996",
with no day, thus making it a moot point. Of the ones who use days, I
see at least the "10-31-1996" format and the "31 October 1996" format,
but it seems to vary widely. That, and I'm using my unofficial Superpatch
source here so it probably varies more widely than the official source.
Like everything else in POV, it seems to reflect the individuality of
the team members and other contributors. I happen to think that's a
good thing. Personally, I use the "31 Oct. 1996" format both in POV
and in my real life. And I'm an American, believe it or not.
The original poster was right that the source is a bit schizo on the
issue of colo[u]r, but it tends to use the English spelling fairly
consistently in places where it matters to the programmer (only one
exception that I could find, Color_Bits) and it uses the American
spelling in user-interface code. Comments seem to depend on who
wrote them. Personally, I find myself writing the English spelling
even when I'm posting here, just because I've gotten used to typing
it that way in code.
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Ron Parker wrote:
> > Personaly if I were you I would wait to cancel your
> >message at least until Ron comes online tommorrow morning and let's you
> >know what the povray source code dating convention is :)
>
> I'm online on the weekends too, you know. Just not as continuously.
Your presence here is conspicously less on weekends than it is on
weekdays. Not that I'm keeping track mind you...
--
Ken Tyler
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This is the starting part of Universal Time. The rest of it includes hours,
minutes and seconds with as many decimals as needed for accuracy. Universal
Time is used by astronomers to eliminate all the various confusing civilian
local methods of measuring and reporting time. Each local can be converted from
Universal, of course. With Universal Time there is global agreement on both its
format and its meaning.
steve
Saadat Saeed wrote:
> All in all there is an iso standard somewhere where dates should be wriiten
> in the format YYYYMMDD... that is
>
> 23rd September 2009 will be written as 20090923.
>
> This does makes a lot of sense in the computer world. I mark all my backup
> files in that format. So when I categorise i.e. sort them they are
> automatically sorted year first, then month and then date. Makes a lot more
> sense to archive them with the least amount of information first and then
> moving into the details....
>
> BR/Saadat
>
> Edward C. <edw### [at] hotmailcom> wrote in message
> news:37db4115@news.povray.org...
> > <note> Please note - It seems the last sentance in my previous post was
> not
> > sufficient, the post should have included <rant> </rant> markers. I'm
> > deeply sorry for this omission. </note>
> > <question> But if I may restate my still un-answered question: Which
> short
> > format is/should be used in POV source - or is it not important to discern
> > between the 12th of Janurary and the 1st of December in a given year?
> > </question>
> > <rant> ...grumble grumble... of course if POV were mono-lingual, there
> > wouldn't be ambiguity... mumble mumble...</rant>
> > <aside> BTW: That Y/M/D is cool, a bit like MSB first format, where D/M/Y
> > is LSB first format, and M/D/Y is.... </aside>
> >
> >
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On Sun, 12 Sep 1999 03:48:49 -0700, Ken <tyl### [at] pacbellnet> wrote:
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>
>Matt Giwer wrote:
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>> Any rational person writes YYMMDD so tha core sorting routines
>> can be used.
>
>Only programmers are conceited enough to think that the rest of the world
>should be structured for their convenience where dates are concerned.
Well Ken, what does that make me? I prefer the YYMMDD system for many
things myself. I don't consider myself a programmer though. I'm also
not Japanese, nor do I have any significant connection to Japan or
Japanese culture.
That ISO standard simply made a lot of sense to me. I suppose this
makes me "logical" ? :)
later,
Glen
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On Sun, 12 Sep 1999 08:05:36 -0800, "Mr. Art" <mr.### [at] gcinet> wrote:
>Even though I was born in the US and am a product
>of public education here, I have adjusted to the more
>"logical(?)" DD/MM/YY format. To me, it is a mater of
>going from the smallest unit to the largest unit.
>If it helps you to understand, I also model in 1=1 meter
>scale, if I can get away with it I use a 24 hr clock, and a
>Dvorak keyboard. I guess that I am not the "standerd
>American".
>Mr. Art
>
Hmmm...
If you truly want "logical", adopt the standard of YYYYMMDD for dates.
I applaud you for using meters as your metric of choice. It's also a
good sign that you see advantages to the 24hr clock. However, wasn't
the Dvorak keyboard shown in independent testing to *not* have the
advantages claimed for it by it's inventor? Now, if you had said you
like chord keyboards for their innovation and potential for one-handed
operation, I would have given you extra points. :)
Later,
Glen Berry
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On Sun, 12 Sep 1999 20:52:43 -0700, Ken <tyl### [at] pacbellnet> wrote:
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>Ron Parker wrote:
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>> > Personaly if I were you I would wait to cancel your
>> >message at least until Ron comes online tommorrow morning and let's you
>> >know what the povray source code dating convention is :)
>>
>> I'm online on the weekends too, you know. Just not as continuously.
>
> Your presence here is conspicously less on weekends than it is on
>weekdays. Not that I'm keeping track mind you...
Admit it. You've been monitoring Ron. You've been monitoring all of
us. You're not even human. You're an NSA computer program dedicated to
keeping tabs on all the international POV-Users. Left unchecked,
there's no telling what threat a bunch of international raytracing
enthusiasts could pose to the world. You even have the audacity to
publish a profile of all our web site URL's under the guise of "good
will.." Ken's links, indeed.
Later,
Glen Berry
P.S.
:) :) :) :) :) :)
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Glen Berry wrote:
> >> I'm online on the weekends too, you know. Just not as continuously.
> >
> > Your presence here is conspicously less on weekends than it is on
> >weekdays. Not that I'm keeping track mind you...
>
> Admit it. You've been monitoring Ron. You've been monitoring all of
> us. You're not even human. You're an NSA computer program dedicated to
> keeping tabs on all the international POV-Users. Left unchecked,
> there's no telling what threat a bunch of international raytracing
> enthusiasts could pose to the world. You even have the audacity to
> publish a profile of all our web site URL's under the guise of "good
> will.." Ken's links, indeed.
>
> Later,
> Glen Berry
I've got your number...
Mine is MMDDYY...
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Glen Berry wrote:
> On Sun, 12 Sep 1999 08:05:36 -0800, "Mr. Art" <mr.### [at] gcinet> wrote:
>
> >Even though I was born in the US and am a product
> >of public education here, I have adjusted to the more
> >"logical(?)" DD/MM/YY format. To me, it is a mater of
> >going from the smallest unit to the largest unit.
> >If it helps you to understand, I also model in 1=1 meter
> >scale, if I can get away with it I use a 24 hr clock, and a
> >Dvorak keyboard. I guess that I am not the "standerd
> >American".
> >Mr. Art
> >
>
> Hmmm...
>
> If you truly want "logical", adopt the standard of YYYYMMDD for dates.
> I applaud you for using meters as your metric of choice. It's also a
> good sign that you see advantages to the 24hr clock. However, wasn't
> the Dvorak keyboard shown in independent testing to *not* have the
>
> advantages claimed for it by it's inventor?
>
Well, as far as I can find, the major tests showing advantages were those
conducted by Dvorak himself in the US military. Other recent testing
mentioned by pro-Dvorak people show perhaps a 4-6% increase in
performance over QWERTY at best.
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The biggest advantage that I can find is that
my hands don't have to move as much when typing.
I have been rough on my body over the years and
arthritis can be a problem.
The difficulty is that my mind still wants to find some of
the letters in their old ',.pyf {QWERTY}:) places.
And of course, I _love_ to be unconventional.
Mr. Art
"Jon A. Cruz" wrote:
> Glen Berry wrote:
>
> Well, as far as I can find, the major tests showing advantages were those
> conducted by Dvorak himself in the US military. Other recent testing
> mentioned by pro-Dvorak people show perhaps a 4-6% increase in
> performance over QWERTY at best.
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