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On 6/7/2017 4:56 PM, Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Wed, 07 Jun 2017 05:25:58 +0100, Stephen wrote:
>
>> Understood.
>> But consider the carnage they could have caused if firearms were readily
>> available here.
>> With that in mind. They weren't very effective. Considering they had the
>> element of surprise.
>
> Absolutely. But some here will say "see, they found a way in spite of
> the fact that there aren't firearms readily available"
Naturally that is what people do. Whatever the issue.
> - and will ignore
> the fact that this was a largely ineffective attack.
>
I think it is a little bit taboo to bring that up. Either you don't want
to admit it. Or, if you are on the other side (mine) it would be
offensive to the victims and their families.
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Regards
Stephen
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Am 2017-06-06 17:47, also sprach Stephen:
>
> It is the only way to do it. You've got more chance of winning the
> lottery...
>
>
After Sandy Hook, we spent billions turning our schools into
mini-prisons. I pointed out that that was a total waste of money.
Concerned mom: "It keeps my snowflake safe."
Me: "Ok, so I'm a bad guy with a gun who is locked out of the school.
I'll just sit on that hill across the street and pick off a couple of
packed busloads of kids."
And I followed it up with my goto line.
"You are so concerned about something that is not going to happen, yet
you ignore the 300 people that died on Connecticut's roads last year
while you happily text and drive."
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On 6/7/2017 9:35 PM, dick balaska wrote:
> Am 2017-06-06 17:47, also sprach Stephen:
>
>>
>> It is the only way to do it. You've got more chance of winning the
>> lottery...
>>
>>
>
> After Sandy Hook, we spent billions turning our schools into
> mini-prisons. I pointed out that that was a total waste of money.
Not total waste of money. It shows to the world/community that the
authorities are doing something, however ineffectual. Throwing money at
the wrong problem. Personally I believe the real problem is social
inequality, at least it is in Britain. People get pissed off with their
lives and crack or here in the UK get radicalised. But changing that
seems to be too hard to admit. At least for politicians who want to get
re-elected.
When we had a school massacre in Dunblane. Our politicians tightened up
our gun laws. But I understand that would be political suicide in the
states. So it won't be done unless the unthinkable happens.
> Concerned mom: "It keeps my snowflake safe."
> Me: "Ok, so I'm a bad guy with a gun who is locked out of the school.
> I'll just sit on that hill across the street and pick off a couple of
> packed busloads of kids."
>
Mr. Popularity at the PTA. ;)
> And I followed it up with my goto line.
> "You are so concerned about something that is not going to happen, yet
> you ignore the 300 people that died on Connecticut's roads last year
> while you happily text and drive."
>
Don't get me started on that one. I would jail anyone caught doing it.
(Well I like to think I would. Threatening to take away their licences
would probable be better.)
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Regards
Stephen
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On Wed, 07 Jun 2017 23:07:30 +0100, Stephen wrote:
> When we had a school massacre in Dunblane. Our politicians tightened up
> our gun laws. But I understand that would be political suicide in the
> states. So it won't be done unless the unthinkable happens.
The unthinkable has happened here in the US. Several times. The answer
is always "more guns". Ridiculous.
But let it be an "Islamic Terrorist," and we're willing to give away ALL
of our freedoms. How much money did we waste over here on those damn
backscatter X-Ray machines? Billions. Know what? They replaced them
recently - with dogs. The dogs were shown to be more effective. Last
time I flew somewhere (last year), I had to put my shoes *BACK ON* and
put my laptop back in my bag because the dogs were that much more
effective. I held up the line because I'd followed the old nonsensical
procedures.
Seems we could've figured that shit out 15 years ago and saved a ton of
money.
But hey, now it sounds like because of the threat of possible exploding
laptops from certain countries, they'll probably have to be checked for
most international flights. Because in the hold is so much safer. Along
with a planeload of bored passengers because they don't have their
laptops or tablets, and didn't think to bring a book or six.
And, of course, we have the privilege of paying the airlines to check our
electronics now, too. Hurray, capitalism. <grump>
Jim
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"I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and
besides, the pig likes it." - George Bernard Shaw
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Am 2017-06-07 18:07, also sprach Stephen:
> On 6/7/2017 9:35 PM, dick balaska wrote:
>
>> Concerned mom: "It keeps my snowflake safe."
>> Me: "Ok, so I'm a bad guy with a gun who is locked out of the school.
>> I'll just sit on that hill across the street and pick off a couple of
>> packed busloads of kids."
>>
>
> Mr. Popularity at the PTA. ;)
>
The only guy who agreed with me out loud was the HS principal. He tried
to take the new security funds and use it to upgrade some
infrastructure. "Gotta run fibre for those new cameras". Instead he got
a bulletproof door (surrounded by not bulletproof windows).
I would have liked to replace all of the textbooks with kindles or iPads.
--
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dick balaska <dic### [at] buckosoft com> wrote:
> The only guy who agreed with me out loud was the HS principal. He tried
> to take the new security funds and use it to upgrade some
> infrastructure. "Gotta run fibre for those new cameras". Instead he got
> a bulletproof door (surrounded by not bulletproof windows).
>
> I would have liked to replace all of the textbooks with kindles or iPads.
Paranoia sells.
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On 6/8/2017 4:14 AM, dick balaska wrote:
> Am 2017-06-07 18:07, also sprach Stephen:
>> On 6/7/2017 9:35 PM, dick balaska wrote:
>
>>
>>> Concerned mom: "It keeps my snowflake safe."
>>> Me: "Ok, so I'm a bad guy with a gun who is locked out of the school.
>>> I'll just sit on that hill across the street and pick off a couple of
>>> packed busloads of kids."
>>>
>>
>> Mr. Popularity at the PTA. ;)
>>
>
> The only guy who agreed with me out loud was the HS principal. He tried
> to take the new security funds and use it to upgrade some
> infrastructure. "Gotta run fibre for those new cameras". Instead he got
> a bulletproof door (surrounded by not bulletproof windows).
>
Shakes head then buries it in the sand.
> I would have liked to replace all of the textbooks with kindles or iPads.
>
In the UK they could buy school books. Our schools are supposed to
supply them, gratis. But their budgets have been slashed so that big
companies can get tax cuts.
Today we are having a general election.
I was going to have a short rant about the political parties policies.
But I am too disheartened. :(
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Stephen
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On 6/7/2017 11:19 PM, Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Wed, 07 Jun 2017 23:07:30 +0100, Stephen wrote:
>
>> When we had a school massacre in Dunblane. Our politicians tightened up
>> our gun laws. But I understand that would be political suicide in the
>> states. So it won't be done unless the unthinkable happens.
>
> The unthinkable has happened here in the US. Several times. The answer
> is always "more guns". Ridiculous.
>
The right to bear arm is a god given comma. So anyone who criticise it
is criticising God.
> But let it be an "Islamic Terrorist," and we're willing to give away ALL
> of our freedoms. How much money did we waste over here on those damn
> backscatter X-Ray machines? Billions.
We use millimetre wave scanners. Too many X-Rays can give you cancer. [FYI]
> Know what? They replaced them
> recently - with dogs. The dogs were shown to be more effective. Last
> time I flew somewhere (last year), I had to put my shoes *BACK ON* and
> put my laptop back in my bag because the dogs were that much more
> effective. I held up the line because I'd followed the old nonsensical
> procedures.
>
It is hard to keep up with the rule changes.
> Seems we could've figured that shit out 15 years ago and saved a ton of
> money.
>
Again you have got to be seen doing something. And spending money is
doing something.
Cynical, moi?
> But hey, now it sounds like because of the threat of possible exploding
> laptops from certain countries, they'll probably have to be checked for
> most international flights. Because in the hold is so much safer.
Is that so it is safer? I don't understand the rational.
> Along with a planeload of bored passengers because they don't have their
> laptops or tablets, and didn't think to bring a book or six.
But they are going to put WiFi on planes. People than then twitter they
are bored the whole journey. ;)
>
> And, of course, we have the privilege of paying the airlines to check our
> electronics now, too. Hurray, capitalism. <grump>
>
Away to #@!k :)
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Stephen
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On 6/8/2017 8:01 AM, Stephen wrote:
> People than then twitter they are bored the whole journey. ;)
Oops!
People can then twitter that they are bored for the whole journey
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Stephen
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On Thu, 08 Jun 2017 08:01:33 +0100, Stephen wrote:
> On 6/7/2017 11:19 PM, Jim Henderson wrote:
>> On Wed, 07 Jun 2017 23:07:30 +0100, Stephen wrote:
>>
>>> When we had a school massacre in Dunblane. Our politicians tightened
>>> up our gun laws. But I understand that would be political suicide in
>>> the states. So it won't be done unless the unthinkable happens.
>>
>> The unthinkable has happened here in the US. Several times. The
>> answer is always "more guns". Ridiculous.
>>
>>
> The right to bear arm is a god given comma. So anyone who criticise it
> is criticising God.
Indeed. We all know Jesus signed the US Constitution, after all. m-/
>> But let it be an "Islamic Terrorist," and we're willing to give away
>> ALL of our freedoms. How much money did we waste over here on those
>> damn backscatter X-Ray machines? Billions.
>
> We use millimetre wave scanners. Too many X-Rays can give you cancer.
> [FYI]
Yeah. mm wave scanners were also in use, IIRC. Last time I was there?
A dog at the head of the line that everyone walked past, and the
magentometer. Shoes on, laptop in my bag, no wait, no fuss - and more
accurate.
>> Know what? They replaced them recently - with dogs. The dogs were
>> shown to be more effective. Last time I flew somewhere (last year), I
>> had to put my shoes *BACK ON* and put my laptop back in my bag because
>> the dogs were that much more effective. I held up the line because I'd
>> followed the old nonsensical procedures.
>>
>>
> It is hard to keep up with the rule changes.
Yup.
>> Seems we could've figured that shit out 15 years ago and saved a ton of
>> money.
>>
>>
> Again you have got to be seen doing something. And spending money is
> doing something.
Wasting money. But then, we want to cut funding for things like the arts
and general welfare - not corporate welfare, but just for those lazy
bastards who haven't got a job.
> Cynical, moi?
You'd fit right in here. :)
>> But hey, now it sounds like because of the threat of possible exploding
>> laptops from certain countries, they'll probably have to be checked for
>> most international flights. Because in the hold is so much safer.
>
> Is that so it is safer? I don't understand the rational.
I don't either.
>> Along with a planeload of bored passengers because they don't have
>> their laptops or tablets, and didn't think to bring a book or six.
>
> But they are going to put WiFi on planes. People than then twitter they
> are bored the whole journey. ;)
From their phones, and you get to pay for the WiFi. Many airlines have
started depending on people bringing laptops and tablets for in-flight
entertainment, too - the options are now on the in-flight WiFi using an
app or a laptop's web browser. Which, of course, may end up being in the
hold, even (I read recently) for domestic flights in the US.
>> And, of course, we have the privilege of paying the airlines to check
>> our electronics now, too. Hurray, capitalism. <grump>
>>
>>
> Away to #@!k :)
Makes me glad I don't travel a lot these days, and when I do, it's
usually by train to Vancouver.
Jim
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"I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and
besides, the pig likes it." - George Bernard Shaw
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