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Am 30.01.2016 um 14:42 schrieb Stephen:
> On 1/30/2016 12:10 PM, clipka wrote:
>> Am 30.01.2016 um 09:57 schrieb Kenneth:
>>> It's easier to just throw the keyboard away at the end of the day,
>>> and use a new
>>> one daily. I have 1,732 new keyboards sitting in my closet, awaiting
>>> use...
>>
>> Not really an option in this case -- we're talking about a Logitech G19
>> here. They're not even making them anymore.
>>
>
> FYI
>
http://www.amazon.de/Logitech-Gaming-Tastatur-schnurgebunden-deutsches-Tastaturlayout/dp/B001S2W5U2
I had found that one already. Did you have a look at the price for a new
one? EUR 421,68, that's about 320 GBP at the current exchange rate.
> or
> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Logitech-920-000978-G19-Gaming-Keyboard/dp/B001RORKH4
Not an option, as it sure as hell isn't a German one.
But I'm mildly optimistic about the specimen I gave a few sips of coke
to drink. I've gone for the disassemble-cleanse-reassemble approach now.
First of all, a bit to my surprise, the G19 doesn't use fancy individual
switches that the phosphoric acid- and sugar-rich liquid might have
seeped into to avoid detection. Instead, it uses a multi-layered
sandwich structure, at the core of which is a membrane keyboard -- a
transparent one, presumably to facilitate illumination of the key caps,
so that I can say with absolute certainty: No coke has made its way to
the actual key contacts.
Above that sits a shaped mat of thin rubber effect the desired key
travel and pressure point, and atop of that the top cover assembly with
the keycaps mounted safely in a rack, which greatly simplifies
maintenance of this portion of the keyboard. All these components got
their fair share of beverage, and some keys had already become sticky
not only to the touch but also in terms of movement, but they've all
gotten a thorough rinse with soap and warm water and should be perfectly
fine now. (The keycap assembly has also received a thorough shower on
this occasion.)
Below the membrane keyboard is a piece of transparent plastic, obviously
serving as a light guide, and below that a highly reflective white sheet
of whatever; Some coke had managed to creep between these two, but they
also received a good rinse, as did the bottom cover.
The display that sits at the back of the keyboard should also be fine,
as it hasn't received any coke in places where it could have seeped inside.
So the only thing that still worries me is the keyboard electronics. I'm
not sure whether I want to drown that in water just to be sure, or just
be content with having wiped it with a wet cloth and then wiped it dry
again.
Oh, and then of course there's the other thing to be worried about:
Whether I'll be able to reassemble it properly ;)
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On 1/30/2016 2:20 PM, Mike Horvath wrote:
> On 1/30/2016 3:57 AM, Kenneth wrote:
>> It's easier to just throw the keyboard away at the end of the day, and
>> use a new
>> one daily. I have 1,732 new keyboards sitting in my closet, awaiting
>> use...
>>
>> Of course, if you're environmentally-minded, you can recycle 'em as
>> art. I glue
>> the old ones together, to make a big impressive-looking ball. It's now
>> 17 meters
>> in diameter. People are always complimenting me on my ingenuity and
>> aesthetic
>> taste.
>>
>>
>
> I purposefully got my keyboards second hand. I like them because they
> are nice and solid. Not the cheap flimsy things you get when you buy a
> PC at the local box store.
>
I can understand that. They don't feel right typing on them.
My last k/board was an inexpensive gaming one, a Corsair k30 keyboard.
About 40 GBP.
It feels solid and sturdy with a positive key action, well worth the
money and that is not counting the illuminated keys and extra keys for
macros.
--
Regards
Stephen
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On 1/30/2016 3:09 PM, clipka wrote:
> Am 30.01.2016 um 14:42 schrieb Stephen:
>> On 1/30/2016 12:10 PM, clipka wrote:
>>> Am 30.01.2016 um 09:57 schrieb Kenneth:
>>>> It's easier to just throw the keyboard away at the end of the day,
>>>> and use a new
>>>> one daily. I have 1,732 new keyboards sitting in my closet, awaiting
>>>> use...
>>>
>>> Not really an option in this case -- we're talking about a Logitech G19
>>> here. They're not even making them anymore.
>>>
>>
>> FYI
>>
http://www.amazon.de/Logitech-Gaming-Tastatur-schnurgebunden-deutsches-Tastaturlayout/dp/B001S2W5U2
>
> I had found that one already. Did you have a look at the price for a new
> one? EUR 421,68, that's about 320 GBP at the current exchange rate.
>
No I did not. You could buy two cheap laptops at PC World for that
price. (If you had taken leave of your senses.)
I thought the price of the German one was pricy so that's why I posted
the UK one without thinking.
>> or
>> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Logitech-920-000978-G19-Gaming-Keyboard/dp/B001RORKH4
>
> Not an option, as it sure as hell isn't a German one.
>
>
Colour me thick. I forgot about that. I was given a laptop for work and
it had a Norwegian k/board.
Quite inconvenient.
> But I'm mildly optimistic about the specimen I gave a few sips of coke
> to drink. I've gone for the disassemble-cleanse-reassemble approach now.
>
That's good. It will five you something to do over the weekend. ;-)
And we all know what happens when you put coper coins in a can of coke.
>
> So the only thing that still worries me is the keyboard electronics. I'm
> not sure whether I want to drown that in water just to be sure, or just
> be content with having wiped it with a wet cloth and then wiped it dry
> again.
>
I would have rinsed it off and maybe rinsed of the water with alcohol
before drying. That is an option for later if it does not work.
> Oh, and then of course there's the other thing to be worried about:
> Whether I'll be able to reassemble it properly ;)
>
I'm terrible with membranes and the like. And I’ve never successfully
put back together anything that used an elastomeric connector.
--
Regards
Stephen
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Am 30.01.2016 um 17:27 schrieb Stephen:
>> But I'm mildly optimistic about the specimen I gave a few sips of coke
>> to drink. I've gone for the disassemble-cleanse-reassemble approach now.
>
> That's good. It will five you something to do over the weekend. ;-)
> And we all know what happens when you put coper coins in a can of coke.
No banana, unfortunately. The U, I and Caps Lock keys remain dead, and
seem unwilling to be revived.
Which means that for now I'm stuck with a spare keyboard I originally
bought for the occasional direct access to my otherwise headless Linux
box, chosen specifically for its tiny dimensions and affordable price.
/Not/ the thing that's fun to use for software development.
I hate to be begging, but as I'm currently short on money (and high on
round tuits since a couple of days now, which is a bad sign as far as
finances go), while at the same time I don't see a point in replacing
one crappy keyboard with another marginally less crappy one, I'd like
everyone to know that donations would be highly welcome at this point.
I guess my current dream keyboard would be one of these:
http://www.amazon.de/registry/wishlist/VJ0OCNX5ZOGH
Having gotten quite used to the 12 programmable macro keys on the G19, I
must confess I'm hesitant to get anything with fewer of those.
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The internal organs of this gadget sound somewhat similar to those of
the Microsoft Ergonomic Whatsit of some years back, the one that vaguely
resembled a grand piano. I trust that you've wiped down *all* the
contacts with an alcohol prep pad...?
As I recall, the trick with the MS Whozit was to lift out the sheet with
the printed circuits, tip it slightly, and squint at it--*any* spot that
the looked a little brownish or burnt got a good wipe-down with alcohol.
I did manage to resurrect a couple of them multiple times with this
treatment.
And consider--if you can get U and I to work, you can live without caps
lock. :)
--
#macro T(E,N)sphere{x,.4rotate z*E*60translate y*N pigment{wrinkles scale
.3}finish{ambient 1}}#end#local I=0;#while(I<5)T(I,1)T(1-I,-1)#local I=I+
1;#end camera{location-5*z}plane{z,37 pigment{granite color_map{[.7rgb 0]
[1rgb 1]}}finish{ambient 2}}// TenMoons
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Am 31.01.2016 um 07:21 schrieb Sherry K. Shaw:
> The internal organs of this gadget sound somewhat similar to those of
> the Microsoft Ergonomic Whatsit of some years back, the one that vaguely
> resembled a grand piano. I trust that you've wiped down *all* the
> contacts with an alcohol prep pad...?
>
> As I recall, the trick with the MS Whozit was to lift out the sheet with
> the printed circuits, tip it slightly, and squint at it--*any* spot that
> the looked a little brownish or burnt got a good wipe-down with alcohol.
> I did manage to resurrect a couple of them multiple times with this
> treatment.
There are a few problems with applying this remedy to my G19:
- The G19's printed circuits sheet isn't a single sheet, but again a
sandwich of three sheets: A single-sided upper contact layer, a spacer,
and another apparently double-sided layer. These layers are heat-welded
together at strategic points, making it difficult to get a good glimpse
of the contacts from an angle, let alone access them specifically.
- I don't have any alcohol at home - not even a beer ;)
- There is plenty of evidence that the brown ooze never ever reached the
U and I key contacts, and instead wreaked havoc somewhere else to kill
an entire row of the key matrix (the G19 has 5-key rollover, so it is
reasonable to assume that the rows and columns of the matrix are only
sparsely populated).
> And consider--if you can get U and I to work, you can live without caps
> lock. :)
Yeah, that thought had already crossed my mind, too ;)
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> It's easier to just throw the keyboard away at the end of the day, and use a new
> one daily. I have 1,732 new keyboards sitting in my closet, awaiting use...
>
> Of course, if you're environmentally-minded, you can recycle 'em as art. I glue
> the old ones together, to make a big impressive-looking ball. It's now 17 meters
> in diameter. People are always complimenting me on my ingenuity and aesthetic
> taste.
>
>
A real life Katamari-Damacy.
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Le 2016-01-30 03:05, Ger a écrit :
> Francois Labreque wrote:
>
>> Le 2016-01-29 18:36, clipka a écrit :
>>> Pro Tip:
>>>
>>> Keeping your desk covered with obsolete paperwork can be an effective
>>> first line of defense against beverage spills.
>>>
>>> (A thorough mix of obsolete and important paperwork -- not so much.)
>>>
>>> Confirmed by experiment.
>>>
>>> Also, the "sticky keys" keyoard setting has no effect on coke stains.
>>>
>>
>> I heard that - although never tried - most keyboards can go in the
>> dishwasher (without soap), upside down on the top rack. You just have
>> to make sure they dry completely before reconnecting them.
>>
>
> Never put a keyboard in a dishwasher, it gets too hot and will most likely
> deform the keyboard.
I forgot that nowadays, they're made of cheap plastic.
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Le 2016-01-31 07:15, clipka a écrit :
>
> - I don't have any alcohol at home - not even a beer ;)
>
And you call yourself a German?
(And before you ask, yes, my igloo is filled with maple syrup)
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On 1/31/2016 2:18 PM, Francois Labreque wrote:
> And before you ask, yes, my igloo is filled with maple syrup
Is it part of the Canadian maple syrup reserve that was stolen? ;-)
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Regards
Stephen
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