Anecdote: Saw this in news on the Internet: some people are doing what 
they can: in a USA State, a anonymous person paid 50 mortgages ready for 
foreclosure when he went to his local bank, and you think what I 
advocate is crazy? We see the problem, TheVenusProject.com and 
TheZeitgeistMovement.com are just trying to unify the effort, because it 
only takes 1, like Science everything can branch off it.

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Have you thought how offensive your indifference is to others? I guess 
not, that's why you're being so...

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On Sun, 04 Jan 2015 13:30:17 -0400, Saul Luizaga wrote:

>  well it has a
> website

Oooh, well, that's ME convinced.  They have a website and EVERYTHING. m-/

Seriously, Saul, you're not convincing me, and you're not convincing 
anyone here of anything other than that you think you're better than 
everyone else.  You're condescending, rude, and making yourself quite 
unwelcome.

This isn't the Saul I remember from years past.  Which makes me want to 
suggest that you get the help you seem to need - but I expect you to not 
take that suggestion seriously, given your apparent current state of mind.

Chances are pretty good that I'm just going to block you from here on 
out, depending on your response, and I would encourage others to do the 
same.

Jim

-- 
"I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and 
besides, the pig likes it." - George Bernard Shaw

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Damn right I'm better human than any of you indifferent willingly fools 
and if I'm not nice is because you all don't deserve it, and that gives 
me every fucking reason to be so.

Yes, take something that can be ridicule easily and boom I'm conscience 
free from whatever moral implication you were trying to communicate, you 
couldn't be more cynical.

You know what I'm done with this newsgroup and their scientific and 
mathematical atheists users that only care about themselves ho go fuck 
yourselves, humanity will go on despite of indifferent assholes

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On Sun, 04 Jan 2015 20:03:59 -0400, Saul Luizaga wrote:

> Damn right I'm better human than any of you indifferent willingly fools
> and if I'm not nice is because you all don't deserve it, and that gives
> me every fucking reason to be so.
> 
> Yes, take something that can be ridicule easily and boom I'm conscience
> free from whatever moral implication you were trying to communicate, you
> couldn't be more cynical.
> 
> You know what I'm done with this newsgroup and their scientific and
> mathematical atheists users that only care about themselves ho go fuck
> yourselves, humanity will go on despite of indifferent assholes

Yep, that's about what I expected from you Saul.  Again, go get some help 
- you seriously need it.  You have changed - this group hasn't - and 
that's usually a sign that something's going on that needs to be 
evaluated by a professional.

I would not suggest that if I was an uncaring person.  It truly is sad 
what's happened to you.

Jim
-- 
"I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and 
besides, the pig likes it." - George Bernard Shaw

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I have to apologize for my lose of temper, I could have said what I 
meant without retorting to insults and diminishing dignity of you all. 
Thank the reconsideration to Sir Christopher Hitchens, an intellectual 
and a gentleman, he'll never know how much I admire, respect and thank 
him for just existing and show the handling of idiocy and indifference 
with such grace, wisdom and patience, a fine representation of what an 
atheist should be.

Having said that, I want to say that yes I'm done with this newsgroup 
since yes I have changed for good IMO, and you all stagnated and 
remained the same, I don't need the help of a therapist, I can see the 
indolence and the BS behind "morally superior" accusatory arguments 
against me, I just failed to point them so. You all have demonstrated to 
be not only indifferent but willingly stupid, disregarding my words 
almost completely, just because the bunch of babies didn't got explained 
things the way they wanted, but you expect full adaptation compliance to 
whatever you write from me; it won't happen so anymore.

So I wish you all fair well and good luck, adios.

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On Tue, 06 Jan 2015 00:47:03 -0400, Saul Luizaga wrote:

> So I wish you all fair well and good luck, adios.

I wish you well as well.  It's a shame you couldn't just leave it at 
this, but had to resort to childish namecalling, but there it is.

Jim



-- 
"I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and 
besides, the pig likes it." - George Bernard Shaw

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On 1/5/2015 9:47 PM, Saul Luizaga wrote:
> I have to apologize for my lose of temper, I could have said what I
> meant without retorting to insults and diminishing dignity of you all.
> Thank the reconsideration to Sir Christopher Hitchens, an intellectual
> and a gentleman, he'll never know how much I admire, respect and thank
> him for just existing and show the handling of idiocy and indifference
> with such grace, wisdom and patience, a fine representation of what an
> atheist should be.
>
> Having said that, I want to say that yes I'm done with this newsgroup
> since yes I have changed for good IMO, and you all stagnated and
> remained the same, I don't need the help of a therapist, I can see the
> indolence and the BS behind "morally superior" accusatory arguments
> against me, I just failed to point them so. You all have demonstrated to
> be not only indifferent but willingly stupid, disregarding my words
> almost completely, just because the bunch of babies didn't got explained
> things the way they wanted, but you expect full adaptation compliance to
> whatever you write from me; it won't happen so anymore.
>
> So I wish you all fair well and good luck, adios.


1. Human behavior cannot be changed, save in the sense that it can be 
misdirected. The problem is, its been misdirected a bloody lot, for 
thousands of years. But, the utopian nonsense people keep coming up 
with, as solutions, don't work, because they ignore "deeper" aspects of 
human nature, which are not changeable.

2. Resource based economies.. Sad thing is, this will always exist. 
Someone has to dig up, or produce, those resources. Either the elite 
will get rich from the, and the people actually providing the resources 
get screwed, or the people with the resources become the elite. Its all 
well and good to talk about solving this problem, but.. how?

3. The "obsolete" money system. The money system isn't the bloody 
problem. All money systems are the same. Money is nothing more than just 
variables, like the A in A + 1 = 3. Its a placeholder for value 
**period**. Any money system, of any kind, will have the same flaws. The 
morons that talk about returning to "gold standards", for example, fail 
horribly to comprehend this. Its hardly a surprise that a utopian does too.

No, the problem isn't the "money system", which will, regardless of what 
sort of supposed system you come up with, will fluctuate. The problem is 
one of presumed minimum standards. The pure capitalists don't believe 
there is such a thing. They want us all fighting over the last bone, so 
that the one that gets it can stand on the side lines, chewing the bone, 
and claiming, "I fought harder for it, so I deserve it." It doesn't 
matter, since its not even part of their narrative, or mind set, to 
admit to it, that they might have gotten it by accident, mischance, or 
as a gift (by someone too foolish to realize what the top dog will do to 
them, once they have the bone). Pure socialists, the sort that tried to 
create the soviet state, etc., think that the solution its to hack the 
bone to bits, until everyone gets slivers. So, everyone is fighting over 
not even scraps.

Interestingly, the "socialists" that exist in the US, like Berny 
Sanders, have a different view - lets the system do what ever it wants, 
but only **after** you have made sure everyone gets adequate housing, 
adequate food, adequate health care, and an acceptable education. The 
numbers say that, in the long term, this would work. The problem, of 
course, is that, in the short term, the bloody dogs have to stop 
fighting to see who gets to keep the entire damn bone.

No, I don't think the grand project, with all its vague, hand wavy, 
claims about what is wrong, and even more vague solutions, will do jack 
to fix anything. It will either never happen, it will devolve into some 
sort of dystopia, when reality collides with it, or, it will fail in 
some other way. Because, there is no **plan**, its just a lot of, "If we 
do something different, it will be different." And, every clown in 
history with some such great vision has, in the end, found that they 
just flat out missed things, whether it be their own failure to 
understand their own bloody species, to a fundamental failure to 
understand the real problems they gloss over, while hunting for their 
paradise.

Not that I wouldn't love to see a real attempt, but even the attempt 
itself creates and "us vs. them" situation, which, unless you plan to 
somehow build on another bloody planet, will, just by itself, piss off a 
lot of people, and create a host of problems that no one expected.

-- 
Commander Vimes: "You take a bunch of people who don't seem any 
different from you and me, but when you add them all together you get 
this sort of huge raving maniac with national borders and an anthem."

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Saul Luizaga <sau### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
> Yes, people that actually use their brain and can be bother to care, 
> obviously you and other don't.

Now you are just being an asshole.

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                                                          - Warp

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On Wed, 07 Jan 2015 10:41:30 -0500, Warp wrote:

> Saul Luizaga <sau### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
>> Yes, people that actually use their brain and can be bother to care,
>> obviously you and other don't.
> 
> Now you are just being an asshole.

Wasn't just a case of "now".  Apologising and insulting people at the 
same time was just a new low.

Good riddance.

Jim

-- 
"I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and 
besides, the pig likes it." - George Bernard Shaw

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