Am 30.09.2014 21:45, schrieb Shay:
> clipka <ano### [at] anonymousorg> wrote:
>
>> I also think it quite healthy because it includes both reason /and/
>> emotion, and my guess is that this is exactly what most of us like best
>> about the atmosphere (do you say that in English?) of this newsgroup.
>
> This newsgroup is typical in that disagreement is "allowed" as long as *certain*
> assertions are not challenged.
>
> In the US currently, we can calmly argue over /how/ to deal with Isis, but

> nutcase.
>
> Similarly, in p.o-t we can calmly argue over the specifics of king-for-a-day

> the king-for-a-day premise itself is quickly, sharply admonished.

... whatever "king-for-a-day Progressivism" or "the king-for-a-day 
premise" is.

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Hi(gh)!

On 28.09.2014 01:15, andrel wrote:

> Often it is about culture and politics. Which makes it even more
> interesting than arguing with your neighbour.
> Although most regulars are (older) man from western countries.

Older? Do you mean "elderly" or just above 40? The latter would be 
easily explainable to me - the heydays of POV-Ray were in the 1990s, 
when also the Internet in its easily accessible GUI incarnation, called 
the World Wide Web emerged... and POV-Ray was one of the achievements 
emerging from the free software culture that had developed during the 
pre-WWW stages of the Internet. So, not so few of the twentysomethings 
who entered the Internet during the early to mid-1990s (and who already 
became familiar with home computers as teenagers in the 1980s) also gave 
POV-Ray a try - while the later generations of users did not have that 
"geek" background anymore, as the Internet soon became as ubiquitous and 
(seemingly!) trivial to use as TV or telephone, and so it may appear 
that such absorbing computer hobbies like raytracing have gone out of 
fashion with younger people on the Internet...

>
> Getting a few asians or africans on board would make things even more
> interesting (or from latin america, but I am not sure if the last one
> was a success). Definitely lacking a female perspective also.

And I also wonder how extremely people from Islamic countries are 
here... I keep track of p.b.i. since 2000, and I remember only 2 (two!) 
active posters (out of currently 1,360!) whose names clearly indicate an 
Islamic background! Which I think is somewhat strange, as the 
traditional abstract, geometrical and mathematical Islamic approach to 
art goes perfectly well with POV-Ray...

See you in Khyberspace!

Yadgar

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Hi(gh)!

On 01.10.2014 21:28, clipka wrote:

> ... whatever "king-for-a-day Progressivism" or "the king-for-a-day
> premise" is.

It would be better to have this explained by Shay himself, rather than 
to look it up using Google (it's tempting, but the chance is high to end 
up with a strangely different definition, not to mention lunatic fringe 
rantings on the issue)...

See you in Khyberspace!

Yadgar

Now playing: Desert Dream (Tangerine Dream)

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>> Getting a few asians or africans on board would make things even more
>> interesting (or from latin america, but I am not sure if the last one
>> was a success). Definitely lacking a female perspective also.
>
> And I also wonder how extremely people from Islamic countries are
> here... I keep track of p.b.i. since 2000, and I remember only 2 (two!)
> active posters (out of currently 1,360!) whose names clearly indicate an
> Islamic background! Which I think is somewhat strange, as the
> traditional abstract, geometrical and mathematical Islamic approach to
> art goes perfectly well with POV-Ray...

To be honest, I couldn't care less what background the /name/ of a 
poster indicates, whether Islamic or otherwise.

If the /image/ indicates some particular background, that's an entirely 
different story, as it might be relevant to understand the image.

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> Hi(gh)!
>
> On 01.10.2014 21:28, clipka wrote:
>
>> ... whatever "king-for-a-day Progressivism" or "the king-for-a-day
>> premise" is.
>
> It would be better to have this explained by Shay himself, rather than
> to look it up using Google (it's tempting, but the chance is high to end
> up with a strangely different definition, not to mention lunatic fringe
> rantings on the issue)...

I did indeed google it, but didn't find anything I could remotely make 
sense of in the context of Shay's posting.

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On 14-10-2014 5:02, clipka wrote:

>
>>> Getting a few asians or africans on board would make things even more
>>> interesting (or from latin america, but I am not sure if the last one
>>> was a success). Definitely lacking a female perspective also.
>>
>> And I also wonder how extremely people from Islamic countries are
>> here... I keep track of p.b.i. since 2000, and I remember only 2 (two!)
>> active posters (out of currently 1,360!) whose names clearly indicate an
>> Islamic background! Which I think is somewhat strange, as the
>> traditional abstract, geometrical and mathematical Islamic approach to
>> art goes perfectly well with POV-Ray...
>
> To be honest, I couldn't care less what background the /name/ of a
> poster indicates, whether Islamic or otherwise.
>
> If the /image/ indicates some particular background, that's an entirely
> different story, as it might be relevant to understand the image.
>

That was the point. By not being cultural and gender diverse enough we 
are missing valuable aesthetic input.

-- 
Everytime the IT department forbids something that a researcher deems
necessary for her work there will be another hole in the firewall.

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On 14-10-2014 10:42, andrel wrote:
> That was the point. By not being cultural and gender diverse enough we
> are missing valuable aesthetic input.
>

Absolutely. However, how to increase diversity? We cannot establish 
quota ;-) People have to come by themselves...

Thomas

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Thomas de Groot <tho### [at] degrootorg> wrote:

> Absolutely. However, how to increase diversity?
.....   People have to come by themselves...
>
> Thomas

"Invite" them.

Post images and/or links on other boards - "raytraced with POV-Ray
(www.povray.org)".

Art - painting, wordles, abstract shapes and blobs and textures, it's endless...

Architecture,

Home furnishings - especially with the popularity of home improvement shows -
(Love it or List it, Property Brothers, Flip Flop, House Hunters....) POV-Ray
has wood, granite, marble, tiling, landscaping plants, animation, etc.

Anatomy and Biology

Math - this is a natural, considering the nature of computer graphics, SDL,
Friederich Lohmueller's site, Mike Williams' Isosurfaces, many others, and the
fact that not one but TWO 2-hour movies (Chaos and Dimensions) exist

Computers graphics

Programming - write a solution - but, "gosh, I only know how to do that in
SDL..."  "I have a file to do that, but it's a .pov, .mcr, .inc ...."

Optics

Lasers

Finite Element Analysis

Civil Engineering - I've seen several people working on city-building macros

Science Fiction

Find some niche or "movement" or fad, and post interest-related images that
would be hard to create otherwise.   "Wow!  How'd you _DO_ that??!!"  "POV-Ray."

Astronomy

Meteorology

Geological surveying

Fluid dynamics

Mechanical engineering
     http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RE04CTpCIdQ
     http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3QbgwgxSO0

Geography - http://earthview.sourceforge.net/    and lots of other globe-mapping
utilities...

Education

Web Design

Woodworking

Electronics - Eagle 3D, etc     http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjoLYp_uLSs

Physics

Lighting

Photography

Entertainment

Origami

Chemistry

Fireworks display simulations

Ebay - Buy It Now!  For only $0.00  Click here to download...   :)

YouTube - "Here's how easy it is to do x, y, or z..."

Facebook

Email - put some sort of mention of POV-Ray in your signature file



And there are probably 500 things I haven't thought of.
(Sorry - only on my 1st cup of coffee...)

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On 2014-10-14 09:27, Bald Eagle wrote:
> Post images and/or links on other boards - "raytraced with POV-Ray
> (www.povray.org)".
>
> Math - this is a natural, considering the nature of computer graphics, SDL,
> Friederich Lohmueller's site, Mike Williams' Isosurfaces, many others, and the
> fact that not one but TWO 2-hour movies (Chaos and Dimensions) exist

This one is probably the most-relevant to POV-Ray; people simply wanting 
to 'get into 3D rendering' are far more likely to be drawn to one of the 
big names like 3DS or Maya.

I'm not aware of (though I don't get out much) an equivalent of 
isosurface elsewhere in the world of CGI.

For programming, there are also far more popular languages which have 
direct applicability to real-world skill of being able to claim you are 
fluent in.

 From what I've read[citation needed], POV-Ray is somewhat popular for 
data visualisation for astronomy and such.  Since this specific thread 
is sociopolitical, perhaps generating some nice graphs from crunched 
numbers of related data would be a draw for sociologists?

--
Tim Cook
http://empyrean.sjcook.com

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Hi(gh)!

On 14.10.2014 16:27, Bald Eagle wrote:

> Astronomy
>
> Meteorology
>
> Geological surveying

...not to forget cartography and geography in general!

Did you heard of "Associativity-O-Blast" (German: Assoziations-Blaster), 
www.a-blast.org ? An experimental hypertext project growing continuously 
since 1999. The underlying idea is to write texts ("associations") about 
keywords; each keyword in the text about which other texts already have 
been posted, is linked automatically. But these links work randomly - 
you cannot link to a certain association on a given keyword. You also 
can enter a keyword on the start page of the Assoziations-Blaster, which 
then will display an information page containing the current number of 
associations on the chosen keyword as well a random selection of 
positively evaluated associations.

Each participant in the Assoziations-Blaster (which is perfectly 
anonymous, no registration required!) is assigned some evaluation points 
from time to time, depending on his or her time spent on the 
Assoziations-Blaster and amount of published ("blasted") associations. 
On every association (except his or her own) the participant can place a 
positive or negative evualation, which cumulatively add up to a positive 
or negative total value. The lower this value is, the less frequently 
the association is displayed when clicked on or entered a keyword. 
Associations with a score below a certain threshold (default is -3) are 
not shown at all.

Frequent posters of associations are sooner or later (but still 
random-based to some degree) asked by the software to introduce 
("launch") a new keyword and write a first association - which then also 
is automatically linked in all existing associations.

So, some years ago, I started blasting simple POV-Ray scene scripts in 
the German section (there also is an English one) on keywords 
designating colours or geometrical forms, for example:

Yadgar, Ambassador of POVghanistan schrieb am 4.11. 2009 um 01:26:46 Uhr 


Quadrat [meaning "square" in German]

box { -1, 1 texture { pigment { color rgb 1 } finish { ambient 1 } } 
translate z*6}

There should be much more ambassadors of POV-Ray on the Blaster!

See you in Khyberspace!

Yadgar

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