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might try something different for a change
one of the best and most beautiful indie games from the last generation to me is
Limbo. Yesterday I finally bought it, having previsouly just tasted the demo.
Might warm the heart of fans of platform classics such as Another World or
Prince of Persia... though not quite as long as these...
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On Fri, 16 May 2014 08:17:55 +0100, Orchid Win7 v1 wrote:
>>> Is it usual for it to take two and a half hours to get from one end of
>>> a corridor to another? I can't work out if the game is seriously *that
>>> hard*, or if I'm just playing it wrong...
>>
>> You must be playing it wrong, because it never took me that long. What
>> difficulty level are you playing at?
>
> I thought as much.
>
> I've got it on Normal difficulty.
IIRC, that's the difficulty I played at as well.
> Now to figure out what I'm actually doing wrong...
It might be a difference with the PC controls, I found the controls on
the PS3 to be pretty intuitive.
Jim
--
"I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and
besides, the pig likes it." - George Bernard Shaw
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On 5/16/2014 3:31 PM, Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Fri, 16 May 2014 08:17:55 +0100, Orchid Win7 v1 wrote:
>
>>>> Is it usual for it to take two and a half hours to get from one end of
>>>> a corridor to another? I can't work out if the game is seriously *that
>>>> hard*, or if I'm just playing it wrong...
>>>
>>> You must be playing it wrong, because it never took me that long. What
>>> difficulty level are you playing at?
>>
>> I thought as much.
>>
>> I've got it on Normal difficulty.
>
> IIRC, that's the difficulty I played at as well.
>
>> Now to figure out what I'm actually doing wrong...
>
> It might be a difference with the PC controls, I found the controls on
> the PS3 to be pretty intuitive.
>
> Jim
>
>
>
I've played it on PC. So, no, its no the controls, for the most part (in
fact, I probably would have done even worse with one.. lol) but, they
did make a few changes to things from the prior game to this one, and..
gah, I hate having to relearn which things on the keyboard do what (not
that they would *ever* do such a thing with a game controller...)
Best suggestion, for someone really having that much trouble on it.. try
watching one of those walkthrough videos, or something that are out
there, to get a sense of just what it takes to do things, and how. Its
been a long time since I played it, so I don't remember all the details,
but.. a lot of it came down to, "Don't get spotted in the bloody first
place.", if I remember right.
And, yeah, some cameras, you can't avoid too easily, others.. you just
need to keep an eye on where they are pointed, and avoid getting in
front of them. They *all* have a blind spot right smack under the
camera, if I remember, so the trick is usually to slip right up under
the camera, when its looking the other way, then wait until you know its
pointed away from where you are going, and you have time to move, then
get your ass there and out of its view, before it shifts back to look
that way. This isn't always easy, but it is possible. Ducts are, of
course, your friend, and, in some cases, you get more options, like
being able to move a soda machine, to get at one, if you added enough
strength mods, with the right upgrades.
Its definitely not impossible. Maybe you just suck? ;) lol
Note: unlike the prior one, I failed, badly, at the, "don't kill anyone
you don't really need to.", option. This one was definitely a bit harder
to avoid those sorts of, "Oh hell, lets just shoot this bastard!",
moments in. :p
--
Commander Vimes: "You take a bunch of people who don't seem any
different from you and me, but when you add them all together you get
this sort of huge raving maniac with national borders and an anthem."
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On Wed, 14 May 2014 22:57:16 +0200, Orchid Win7 v1 <voi### [at] dev null> wrote:
> I'm not precisely sure which camp Deus Ex is in, but it seems to be the
> latter:
> * It takes 4 bullet hits to kill you.
> * It takes about twelve bullet hits to kill an opponent.
> * The rate at which I expend ammo *vastly* exceeds the rate at which I
> can find more. Thus far, I have yet to have more than 12 bullets in my
> inventory simultaneously. And that's for a pistol!
>
You can play the game with minimal killing, so bullet/kill ratio is not
that important.
Taking cover and blind-firing also helps a lot.
> So it seems the idea is to sneak past people. Now in Crysis, you can
> press a button and turn invisible. In Far Cry, you can hide in the
> bushes. And you've got binoculars. And a freaking sniper rifle! In
> Batman, you can see in the dark and see through walls. You also have the
> ability to fly and to instantly scale walls.
>
> In Deux Ex, on the other hand, you're just a guy. OK, a guy with
> sunglasses embedded IN YOUR FACE... but you certainly don't have any
> special cyborg abilities. You can't run, you can't jump, you can't climb,
You can.
> your vision is inferior to normal humans (in that every flat surface
> lights up yellow when you look at it)
This is true. I don't know why they made everything yellow. Maybe it's
gold-tinted Oakley's?
> , and you die about as easily as a normal human too. So... I'm not sure
> how it's supposed to be possible to sneak past people.
Invisibility is available.
> Having died in this way multiple times, I concluded that the only
> possible way out of this situation is to take out the guard. I mean,
> every few seconds he comes and stands *right next to* where I'm hiding,
> *with his back to me*. There is no logical reason for why a human would
> do that; I can only conclude that the game is purposely designed this
> way to make it easy for me to take him out. (This *is* one of the
> opening missions, after all...)
>
> So I take the guy out. (It's *really* frustrating how the button to put
> somebody to sleep and the button to KILL them are *the same button*! So
> every time you take somebody down, there's a 50% chance you'll kill them
> rather than just knock them out...) Now I can go hack the door... well
> OK, on the fifth attempt I can hack the door! (I have yet to work out
> what the myriad of different icons actually *mean*...)
>
Tap to knock-out, hold in to kill.
> In fact, I tried to sneak off, but we saw me, and I got killed. So I
> reloaded the game... WHAT! The last save was TWO HOURS AGO?!
>
> Rage-quit.
Stealth is like Pov-Ray. It requires patience.
>
> PS. I enjoy the fact that I bought an upgrade that supposedly allows you
> to "see through walls", only then to find out that you have to manually
> turn it on somehow. Shame they couldn't make a tutorial to tell you
> *how*, eh?
Take a look at the controls menu on how to see through walls.
Maybe you should start with difficulty set to easy.
--
-Nekar Xenos-
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> Best suggestion, for someone really having that much trouble on it.. try
> watching one of those walkthrough videos, or something that are out
> there, to get a sense of just what it takes to do things, and how.
Maybe I'll try that.
> Its
> been a long time since I played it, so I don't remember all the details,
> but.. a lot of it came down to, "Don't get spotted in the bloody first
> place.", if I remember right.
Yeah, getting spotted appears to basically result in an instant
game-over. I mean, you could *try* to return fire, but you'll be dead
very quickly. Running away occasionally works...
> And, yeah, some cameras, you can't avoid too easily, others.. you just
> need to keep an eye on where they are pointed, and avoid getting in
> front of them.
Yeah, well when there's a camera at the far end of a long, straight
corridor with no cover, I'm not quite sure how I'd sneak up to it...
> Its definitely not impossible. Maybe you just suck? ;) lol
I feared this might be the case. :-/
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On 17/05/2014 09:22 PM, Orchid Win7 v1 wrote:
>> Best suggestion, for someone really having that much trouble on it.. try
>> watching one of those walkthrough videos, or something that are out
>> there, to get a sense of just what it takes to do things, and how.
>
> Maybe I'll try that.
Well, it's a good thing I did!
I spent hours trying to figure out how the hell you sneak from one end
of a crowded hall to the other without a single human being ever seeing
you. It seems like it's mathematically impossible.
And that I watched a walkthrough. It turns out, if you just give the guy
at the front desk a blowjob, he'll *open* the door for you (i.e., you
don't have to sneak through three floors of the building to get in), and
then you can just *walk* past everybody, without caring if they see you.
...so it *is* mathematically impossible to sneak past! Because that's
not what you're supposed to do.
(I hadn't realised it was physically possible to sneak to somebody in a
different room me to. And besides, I hadn't realised that talking to
people in-game could actually affect the game in any way.)
Perhaps more importantly, the walkthrough demonstrated that by holding a
certain key combination, you can actually SEE ROUND CORNERS. This
drastically reduces the game difficulty. The number of times I've poked
my head round a corner to see if the guy turned around yet, only to have
all 30 guards instantly go to maximum alert, surround me and kill me...
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On 18/05/2014 18:09, Orchid Win7 v1 wrote:
> On 17/05/2014 09:22 PM, Orchid Win7 v1 wrote:
>>> Best suggestion, for someone really having that much trouble on it.. try
>>> watching one of those walkthrough videos, or something that are out
>>> there, to get a sense of just what it takes to do things, and how.
>>
>> Maybe I'll try that.
>
> Well, it's a good thing I did!
It is.
Last night I asked for some hints on how to fly an Elite Dangerous space
ship, on the forums. And one kind soul made a 20 minute video for me.
The internet has its darkside but also a good side (as shown here and
there).
--
Regards
Stephen
I solemnly promise to kick the next angle, I see.
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After spending about an hour trying to hack one terminal, I was
eventually reduced to looking up the code on the Internet. (It's 1080.)
It's only rated at level 3, but I just couldn't click all the buttons
fast enough. Is there something I'm missing?
When you hack a device, you get to look around at the network and plan
your route. But once you capture the first node, you then only have a
few seconds to get all the way to your goal. (In this particular case,
it seems the timer starts at 13 seconds.)
Complicating matters is the fact that this particular device has two
registries to capture, each of which is only accessible via a single
one-way route. So you have to take TWO paths simultaneously. Fortunately
you can capture multiple nodes at once. Unfortunately, it's very hard to
watch the progress of both nodes and click the next node on the correct
path near-instantly as soon as the current one finishes capturing. My
brain just can't react fast enough.
I have (or had) a STOP! virus. But given that I've never even got CLOSE
to the end of either path before being booted out, adding a few more
seconds to the clock seems unlikely to help much. I need to DOUBLE the
available time or something!
Also: Lots of these networks have extra bonus nodes that you can capture
for extra points or whatever. But given that it's usually extremely hard
to complete a successful hack at all, why would you ever go after the
optional stuff? That doesn't make sense to me.
The whole thing screams that I'm missing something obvious - something
that makes things drastically easier somehow. Who designs a game where
90% of the content is impossible to access? Nobody. So I must be missing
something here...
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On 5/26/2014 5:32 AM, Orchid Win7 v1 wrote:
> After spending about an hour trying to hack one terminal, I was
> eventually reduced to looking up the code on the Internet. (It's 1080.)
> It's only rated at level 3, but I just couldn't click all the buttons
> fast enough. Is there something I'm missing?
>
> When you hack a device, you get to look around at the network and plan
> your route. But once you capture the first node, you then only have a
> few seconds to get all the way to your goal. (In this particular case,
> it seems the timer starts at 13 seconds.)
>
> Complicating matters is the fact that this particular device has two
> registries to capture, each of which is only accessible via a single
> one-way route. So you have to take TWO paths simultaneously. Fortunately
> you can capture multiple nodes at once. Unfortunately, it's very hard to
> watch the progress of both nodes and click the next node on the correct
> path near-instantly as soon as the current one finishes capturing. My
> brain just can't react fast enough.
>
> I have (or had) a STOP! virus. But given that I've never even got CLOSE
> to the end of either path before being booted out, adding a few more
> seconds to the clock seems unlikely to help much. I need to DOUBLE the
> available time or something!
>
> Also: Lots of these networks have extra bonus nodes that you can capture
> for extra points or whatever. But given that it's usually extremely hard
> to complete a successful hack at all, why would you ever go after the
> optional stuff? That doesn't make sense to me.
>
> The whole thing screams that I'm missing something obvious - something
> that makes things drastically easier somehow. Who designs a game where
> 90% of the content is impossible to access? Nobody. So I must be missing
> something here...
>
Hacking is... tricky. Each node actually has a detection odds. If you
are detected, you are screwed, period. There is no way in hell, unless
you already have most of the nodes captured, and are just running for
the end, that you can get it done *after* being detected. So, the only
solution is to save just before you are going to hack, then, if you do
get detected, reload and try again. Stop viruses and I think, slow, and
the like are useful, and even a few seconds can be really important,
since sometimes there is no way, at all, you won't be detected, but,
delaying the security just enough can get you through.
Those "optional" nodes, sometimes have money in them, but often have
more viruses, that can be used later on. Also - Depending on how good
your hacking is, i.e., the upgrades for that, your detection chance goes
down. Its a bad idea to hack a node that has a higher level than your
current upgrade. The odds of detection approach 100% in such cases, and
you are thus totally hosed. You can still manage it, but its pure luck,
and may require a "lot" of reloading of the game, to get lucky and not
get spotted by the security in the process.
Note also - often the security is on a one way node - i.e., it can hunt
you, but not the other way around. However, sometimes, in a few cases,
the security node itself is capturable. And that, if you can take it
out, makes things vastly simpler. But, I think there where only a tiny
number of them that had that, and then only 1-2 where the detection risk
+ delay to pound that node into submission was good enough that I
managed to shut it down that way.
--
Commander Vimes: "You take a bunch of people who don't seem any
different from you and me, but when you add them all together you get
this sort of huge raving maniac with national borders and an anthem."
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On 26/05/2014 05:55 PM, Patrick Elliott wrote:
> Hacking is... tricky. Each node actually has a detection odds. If you
> are detected, you are screwed, period.
Really?
I know there's *supposed* to be a chance of not being detected, but I
find that when I capture the first node, I am *always* detected
immediately, with 100% probability. So the entire hacking minigame is
simply a question of "can you press the buttons faster than the network
can trace you?" If I didn't get detected... well then I guess the entire
thing would be pretty trivial, wouldn't it?
> Those "optional" nodes, sometimes have money in them, but often have
> more viruses, that can be used later on.
As I say, usually it's hard enough getting a hack to work at all,
without trying to capture even more nodes (which are usually extremely
high-rated).
> Note also - often the security is on a one way node - i.e., it can hunt
> you, but not the other way around. However, sometimes, in a few cases,
> the security node itself is capturable. And that, if you can take it
> out, makes things vastly simpler.
Heh. Yeah, I saw that in the two YouTube videos that deal with hacking.
Just now I was able to walk up to a terminal, capture one node, capture
the security node, and... that was it. Beat the network, with about 15
seconds still on the clock. It's almost too easy...
...but, as you say, usually the security node (or NODES) is behind a
one-way path.
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