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And lo on Tue, 01 Apr 2008 19:23:16 +0100, Stephen <mcavoysAT@aolDOTcom>
did spake, saying:
> On Tue, 1 Apr 2008 18:17:12 +0100, "St." <dot### [at] dot com> wrote:
>
>>
>> "Phil Cook" <phi### [at] nospamrocainfreeservecouk> wrote in message
>> news:op.t8xqkvy4c3xi7v@news.povray.org...
>>
>>> Still annoyed that to shut it down you have to pick the arrow next to
>>> the
>>> lock button which then displays a sad 98 style menu bar as if it was
>>> some
>>> sort of afterthought (reading some articles it may well have been).
>
> Oh! A rant against Vista. Can I join in? :)
Sorry invitation only :-P
> I've also been using the trial version of office 2007 and I can't find
> anything when I want it. My F1 key is showing signs of wear. Great new
> job and new software, don't ya love it? :)
First experience with Word 2007 was trying to simply open a file on the
network. The program started and I thought "So how the hell do I open a
file?" No File, Edit etc. menu; no Open File icon. I flicked through the
ribbons with no succes and hit F1 which directed me to the big windows
icon in the top left corner which I hadn't even noticed. I suppose I could
have tried Ctrl+O, just didn't occur to me at the time.
>> My wife received a laptop from Father Christmas recently, and with
>> Vista Home, I noticed that too.
>>
>> First thought was: "Weird!"
>>
> What lock button? Oh! Ctrl Alt Del doesn't bring up the taskmanager.
> Isn't that a step backward?
Yeah as discussed the default behaviour for Vista is the occasional
behaviour of XP depending on the user configuration.
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Phil Cook
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I once tried to be apathetic, but I just couldn't be bothered
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And lo on Tue, 01 Apr 2008 20:51:38 +0100, Orchid XP v8 <voi### [at] devnull>
did spake, saying:
> Darren New wrote:
>> Phil Cook wrote:
>>> "And the first person who tries that gets told 'Millions of people
>>> can't be wrong'"
>> Love it!
>
> PEOPLE ARE SHEEP! >_<
http://content.apa.org/journals/psp/13/2/79.pdf oh and BTW it's not a pdf
file
I do recall something like this, someone would stand on the pavement and
look up at a particular point on a building. Passers-by would often also
look-up and occasionally also stop. When a crowd has gathered the
instigator would depart leaving said crowd of people staring up at a
building with no-one having any idea as to why.
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Phil Cook
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I once tried to be apathetic, but I just couldn't be bothered
http://flipc.blogspot.com
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And lo on Tue, 01 Apr 2008 16:36:07 +0100, Gilles Tran
<gil### [at] agroparistechfr> did spake, saying:
> de
> news: op.t8xqkvy4c3xi7v@news.povray.org...
>
>> Still refuses to create or open an Access 2k database in Access 2k.
>
> Do you have the trial version of Office 2007 installed? There's a problem
> with references due to Vista's security requirements (it's explained in
> detail somewhere in the KB) so you can't have 2K and 2007 installed
> without
> Access 2k crashing or doing weird stuff. Just uninstall the trial Office
> 2007 and it should work.
Odd I thought I'd answered this, oh well.
Yeah the trial version of Office 07 was on it, and got removed; then
Outlook 07 was put back on. Stupidly I looked up the error code and
googled that rather then 'why doesn't Access 2k work with 07' I'll have a
look at that though I suspect the answer will be buy Access 07.
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Phil Cook
--
I once tried to be apathetic, but I just couldn't be bothered
http://flipc.blogspot.com
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Invisible wrote:
>
> http://www.ctrlaltdel-online.com/comic.php?d=20070331
>
That's a pretty accurate view of Vista.
Of coruse, I just got jabbed with another of those sharp spikes the
other day, attempting to load help for a program. Apparently they've
dropped support for the old-fashioned winhelp. Which means programs that
use the old help system (there are plenty of them) won't show any help
files...
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Mike Raiford wrote:
> That's a pretty accurate view of Vista.
;-)
I love the way the chair is *hurting* him, and yet he still defends it,
and still tries to mutilate his body to fit into it. That's so deep, man!
> Of coruse, I just got jabbed with another of those sharp spikes the
> other day, attempting to load help for a program. Apparently they've
> dropped support for the old-fashioned winhelp. Which means programs that
> use the old help system (there are plenty of them) won't show any help
> files...
What, no helpfull message telling you *why* it's not displayed? OK,
that's pretty bad...
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http://www.zazzle.com/MathematicalOrchid*
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Invisible wrote:
>
> What, no helpfull message telling you *why* it's not displayed? OK,
> that's pretty bad...
>
No, no. It gives a helpful message telling you why it doesn't display.
The best part is the user feedback buttons:
Was this article helpful?
(Yes) (No) (Doesn't Apply)
No, it wasn't helpful. It would be much more helpful had I actually been
able to read the help to some esoteric setting in a program I rarely
use. Thanks!
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Phil Cook wrote:
> Yeah worked well with XP; people are people. If you told someone they
> should run as a LUser, but some of their programmes might not
> work/install
The real problem is the vast numbers of specialized crap programs out
there written by people who don't know what they're doing (i.e., experts
in what they're doing rather than experts in programming).
Ten years later, it really should be normal for people to be writing
software that runs as a normal user even if it installs as administrator.
I have a program that tracks real estate. It has a per-machine license
key that it stores in the per-user registry ("because it's a per-user
license. And it would break too much to fix it"[*]). Which means you
cannot install it as administrator and then run it as a normal user. You
have to run it as the same user that installed it. This is a
multi-thousand-dollar program, too. But it was written by a goob who
doesn't understand even the basics of writing usable programs, let alone
advanced stuff like installers.
> The latest wonder is that Media Player won't start unless "run as"
> Administrator, doing a search reveals others with this problem and the
> curernt solution is to unistall any 'suspect' media players.
So why blame Media Player? Why not blame the people who can't even write
a codec that works without admin privs? :-)
([*] Don't you love people who argue "It isn't broken. Besides, it's too
hard to fix." Sorry I didn't call you back. I didn't get your voice
mail. And you didn't leave your phone number on the voice mail.)
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Darren New / San Diego, CA, USA (PST)
"That's pretty. Where's that?"
"It's the Age of Channelwood."
"We should go there on vacation some time."
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Stephen wrote:
> I does on my old XP laptop and that is where I usually shutdown or
> hibernate from.
It depends whether you have the win2000-style logins or the winxp
five-icon login stuff enabled, I think.
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Darren New / San Diego, CA, USA (PST)
"That's pretty. Where's that?"
"It's the Age of Channelwood."
"We should go there on vacation some time."
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And lo on Wed, 02 Apr 2008 15:58:00 +0100, Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom>
did spake, saying:
> Phil Cook wrote:
>> Yeah worked well with XP; people are people. If you told someone they
>> should run as a LUser, but some of their programmes might not
>> work/install
>
> The real problem is the vast numbers of specialized crap programs out
> there written by people who don't know what they're doing (i.e., experts
> in what they're doing rather than experts in programming).
>
> Ten years later, it really should be normal for people to be writing
> software that runs as a normal user even if it installs as administrator.
I completely agree and yet...
> I have a program that tracks real estate. It has a per-machine license
> key that it stores in the per-user registry ("because it's a per-user
> license. And it would break too much to fix it"[*]).
> ([*] Don't you love people who argue "It isn't broken. Besides, it's too
> hard to fix." Sorry I didn't call you back. I didn't get your voice
> mail. And you didn't leave your phone number on the voice mail.)
'It's too hard to fix'
'So you admit it's broken'
'No'
Heh.
> Which means you cannot install it as administrator and then run it as a
> normal user. You have to run it as the same user that installed it. This
> is a multi-thousand-dollar program, too. But it was written by a goob
> who doesn't understand even the basics of writing usable programs, let
> alone advanced stuff like installers.
I'm sure I've mentioned someone getting a demo CD of a new game. Their kid
tried to install it on XP (as a LUser) and wondered why after just
clicking on the Next buttons, as he normally did, it wouldn't install.
Default installation directory - c:\program files\company name\game name.
IIRC even after changing that it didn't want to work because it couldn't
write to the system registry.
>> The latest wonder is that Media Player won't start unless "run as"
>> Administrator, doing a search reveals others with this problem and the
>> curernt solution is to unistall any 'suspect' media players.
>
> So why blame Media Player?
Puts on User hat - "Because that's the programme that's stopped working,
the other ones are fine"
> Why not blame the people who can't even write a codec that works without
> admin privs? :-)
Yeah I am; I'm just wondering which one it is.
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Phil Cook wrote:
> I'm sure I've mentioned someone getting a demo CD of a new game. Their
> kid tried to install it on XP (as a LUser) and wondered why after just
> clicking on the Next buttons, as he normally did, it wouldn't install.
> Default installation directory - c:\program files\company name\game
> name. IIRC even after changing that it didn't want to work because it
> couldn't write to the system registry.
Well, yeah, installing software is often going to need admin privs.
Given you only do that once per program, I don't have too much trouble
with that. Of course, given it's a demo, you'd think they'd manage to
make it so you could play it without "installing" it. On the third hand,
given it's a demo, how much effort do you think management wants to
spend on developing and testing it?
> Puts on User hat - "Because that's the programme that's stopped working,
> the other ones are fine"
Well, sure. But you know what you're doing.
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Darren New / San Diego, CA, USA (PST)
"That's pretty. Where's that?"
"It's the Age of Channelwood."
"We should go there on vacation some time."
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