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From: Paul Bourke
Subject: Re: Animation software
Date: 6 Apr 2003 06:05:56
Message: <pbourke-516F87.20040406042003@netplex.aussie.org>
> General lack of knowledge. Plus as far as I can see you need QT Pro to do
> a 'slideshow'.

Correct, but it also creates movies using any QT codec, AVI, and MPEG
2 and 4 (depending on the machine/license you purchase). For what it
costs I believe it's a pretty good buy, I use it exclusively.

> a) it doesn't seem to take in a sequence of files, i.e. a povray
> animation

QT PRo does, I use TGA but I supports lots of other formats, at
least PNG and TIFF.....probably others.

> b) The QT file it produced was the one the breaks if I copy it, or upload
> it to a webserver.

I suggest this is some other problem, nothing to do with QT.
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Paul Bourke
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From: David Burnett
Subject: Re: Animation software
Date: 6 Apr 2003 08:16:59
Message: <pan.2003.04.06.12.16.22.66044@ntlworld.com>
On Sun, 06 Apr 2003 21:04:05 +1000, Paul Bourke wrote:
>> b) The QT file it produced was the one the breaks if I copy it, or upload
>> it to a webserver.
> 
> I suggest this is some other problem, nothing to do with QT.

I would have thought so to, but diff claims the files are identical.
I'm guessing that its a resource fork problem. I'll probably take 
this up with the mediapipe people.

I'm just suprised there isn't a simple free command line utility
for conveting a series pictures into an animation, they where ten 
a penny back in my Amiga days, which is the last time I actually
tried to do this :-)

Dave


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From: Thorsten Froehlich
Subject: Re: Animation software
Date: 6 Apr 2003 13:04:30
Message: <3e905e1e$1@news.povray.org>
In article <pan### [at] ntlworldcom> , "David Burnett" 
<var### [at] ntlworldcom> wrote:

> I would have thought so to, but diff claims the files are identical.
> I'm guessing that its a resource fork problem. I'll probably take
> this up with the mediapipe people.

How can there be a problem if the files are identical?  You are doing
something wrong when transmitting the file ... because your other statement
suggest you are on Mac OS X, and there is no setting for QuickTime on Mac OS
X to put movies into resource forks (there is on Mac OS 9).

    Thorsten


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From: Yvo Smellenbergh
Subject: Re: Animation software
Date: 7 Apr 2003 02:03:39
Message: <1ft1cv1.rbn5a31jftseeN%yvos.s@gmx.net>
David Burnett <var### [at] ntlworldcom> wrote:

> I'd like some recomendations for software
> for creating animations from povray that
> creates movies that will play when downloaded
> to websites.
Don't know why but most movies created on a mac will not play when
downloaded to websites.
Just create your movie and convert it.

For converting I use a little converter which can be found at:
http://www.win.ne.jp/~juan/misc/mpg/index_e.html
It is pretty old but works, just look for the Carbon version at the
bottom of the page.
I'm sure there are better and/or more recent utilities for this but I
didn't look because this one works :-)

I hope this is what you are looking for.

Yvo


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From: Thorsten Froehlich
Subject: Re: Animation software
Date: 7 Apr 2003 05:00:42
Message: <3e913e3a$1@news.povray.org>
In article <1ft1cv1.rbn5a31jftseeN%yvos.s@gmx.net> , yvos.s@gmx.net (Yvo 
Smellenbergh) wrote:

> Don't know why but most movies created on a mac will not play when
> downloaded to websites.
> Just create your movie and convert it.

Because somebody changed the "QuickTime Exchange" setting of QuickTime in
Mac OS 9 or simply didn't install the QuickTime web browser plug in.

Everything else are just some other user errors on the uploading side; in
particular there are a _very_ few web servers cleverly configured to send
files with the extension ".mov" as text.

Apart from that, all movie files are identical in format, and it is simply
wrong that QuickTime movie files won't play when put on websites:

In fact it has been a trivial thing to do all along, or how do you think
Eduard's movie at <http://mac.povray.org/art_artists/esp/3worldsmovie.html>
(dating back to 1995) is able to play on the web?  It doesn't require a
magican or some odd tools to put a QuickTime movie up on the web.  And it
definetly works on all the big free webspace providers.

    Thorsten

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From: Thorsten Froehlich
Subject: Re: Animation software
Date: 7 Apr 2003 05:14:44
Message: <3e914184$1@news.povray.org>
In article <pan### [at] ntlworldcom> , "David Burnett" 
<var### [at] ntlworldcom> wrote:

> I would have thought so to, but diff claims the files are identical.
> I'm guessing that its a resource fork problem. I'll probably take
> this up with the mediapipe people.
>
> I'm just suprised there isn't a simple free command line utility
> for conveting a series pictures into an animation, they where ten
> a penny back in my Amiga days, which is the last time I actually
> tried to do this :-)

Well, it is you making some obscure mistake.  And so far all you did was say
"they don't play" and said the files are identical.  You didn't say where
the movies is placed, how it gets there or anything that can really be used
to help you.  So everybody can just be guessing what is your mistake, but
nobody can really help you.

Given that you ask for a command-line utility I assume you are on Mac OS X,
because it wouldn't make sense elsewhere. So follow these instructions:

1. Go to the System preferences: Sharing pane.

2. Enable Personal Web Sharing

3. At the bottom of the dialog, you should then see the selectable text:
"View this computer's web sites at http://most.likely.your.ip.address/ or
your personal web site at http://most.likely.your.ip.address/~username/"

4. Go to your "Home" folder.

5. Enter the folder "Sites".

6. Take the movie you have and copy it to this folder.  Make sure it has  a
proper extension ".mov" for the webserver to know what type of file it is.
Also, its filename should (for now) only consist of alphanumerical
characters, that is no spaces or other "odd" characters.

7. Now go to your computer's website listed as the _first_ URL in (3).

8. You should be seeing the default Apache website. If you don't see the
default Apache website something is screwed up on your computer (asumming
Person Web Sharing wasn't used previously).

9. Now go to your own website listed as the _second_ URL in (3).

10. To the given URL, append the filename of the movie copied in (6)

11. The movie will play.

    Thorsten

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From: David Burnett
Subject: Re: Animation software
Date: 7 Apr 2003 14:34:11
Message: <pan.2003.04.07.18.33.33.325134@ntlworld.com>
On Sun, 06 Apr 2003 20:04:29 +0200, Thorsten Froehlich wrote:

> In article <pan### [at] ntlworldcom> , "David
> Burnett" <var### [at] ntlworldcom> wrote:
> 
>> I'm guessing that its a resource fork problem. I'll probably take this
>> up with the mediapipe people.
> 
> How can there be a problem if the files are identical?  You are doing
> something wrong when transmitting the file ... because your other
> statement suggest you are on Mac OS X, and there is no setting for
> QuickTime on Mac OS X to put movies into resource forks (there is on Mac
> OS 9).

The reason all this is happening is due to, for some reason best left to
apple to explain, the quicktime moov header is in a resource fork.
Persumably diff, being a unix command is unaware of such things. The 'ls'
command shows the files to be the same size. I'm a command line junkie so
didn't notice that according to finder there's a 4k difference.

Apparently to solve this problem I have to buy QT Pro or equivalent and
use the save as option to create a 'self contained movie'. I'm getting
this second hand so that may be totally correct (can someone please
comfirm this as I'm not in the habit of buying software to get
functionality that might not be there) as it is I downloaded
GraphicConverter and found the equivalent option. I can now copy the file
with abandon and it plays from a website. Then Slime goes an moans that its
a QT movie :-).

Dave


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From: Thorsten Froehlich
Subject: Re: Animation software
Date: 7 Apr 2003 15:30:23
Message: <3e91d1cf@news.povray.org>
In article <pan### [at] ntlworldcom> , "David Burnett"
<var### [at] ntlworldcom> wrote:

> The reason all this is happening is due to, for some reason best left to
> apple to explain, the quicktime moov header is in a resource fork.
> Persumably diff, being a unix command is unaware of such things. The 'ls'
> command shows the files to be the same size. I'm a command line junkie so
> didn't notice that according to finder there's a 4k difference.

No, that isn't correct.  Unless the program you use went through a painful
process of putting it there.  Or you use Qt 2.x or older.

What software is creating the movie file, and on what system and QuickTime
version?

> Apparently to solve this problem I have to buy QT Pro or equivalent and
> use the save as option to create a 'self contained movie'.

No, you don't.  All this "Pro"! option gives you is to do this from inside
the movie player.  however, every application can do it because it is a
standard QuickTime feature.  "QuickTime Pro" is just a clever trick on part
of Apple to sell several features in the movie player application.
nevertheless, the "Pro" upgrade also includes a few additional encoders
Apple has to license.

> I'm getting
> this second hand so that may be totally correct (can someone please
> comfirm this as I'm not in the habit of buying software to get
> functionality that might not be there) as it is I downloaded
> GraphicConverter and found the equivalent option.

Exactly, GraphicConverter always has this option.  As do many other
applications.

    Thorsten

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From: Vargol
Subject: Re: Animation software
Date: 8 Apr 2003 04:35:03
Message: <web.3e9288aaff1043ad75e40e890@news.povray.org>
>What software is creating the movie file, and on what system and QuickTime
>version?

FrameX to covert the stills to a Movie then MediaPipe to convert to MP4
using QT encoding. QT 6.1.1 (not the pro edition). Neither of which have a
'stand alone' movie option.



>Exactly, GraphicConverter always has this option.  As do many other
>applications.

Which answers the question I asked in the first place! It would never have
even dawned on me  that any software would create a movie can not be
distributed (i.e. uploaded to a unix or windows websever) by default.

Dave


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From: Thorsten Froehlich
Subject: Re: Animation software
Date: 8 Apr 2003 05:51:20
Message: <3e929b98$1@news.povray.org>
In article <web.3e9288aaff1043ad75e40e890@news.povray.org> , "Vargol" 
<nomail@nomail> wrote:

>>Exactly, GraphicConverter always has this option.  As do many other
>>applications.
>
> Which answers the question I asked in the first place! It would never have
> even dawned on me  that any software would create a movie can not be
> distributed (i.e. uploaded to a unix or windows websever) by default.

In the early days of QuickTime, ten or more years ago, the web was not of
concern.  Some software is stiull based on code created back then, and it
might be that certain settings appropriate back then (when there was no web)
survived over the years in various locations like books about QuickTime
programming.  Thus, they end up in todays software...

    Thorsten

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