Death is in the same direction as Life, but opposite Enemies?
Work is opposite Stress and Despair?
Peace and War are in the same direction?
Abortion and Kids are kinda in the same direction?
The Friends/Love/Solitude post I'd turn Solitude a bit clockwise and 
Friends counterclockwise.

Have related concepts point in similar directions!

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Tim,
Was it Yogi Berra who said:
"If you come to a fork in the road, take it!"
and
"You've got to be very careful if you don't know where you're going, because 
you might not get there."
and someone else who said
"If I were going there I wouldn't start from here."
DLM

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"Tim Cook" <z99### [at] bellsouthnet> schreef in bericht 
news:46ba9f68$1@news.povray.org...
> Death is in the same direction as Life, but opposite Enemies?
> Work is opposite Stress and Despair?
> Peace and War are in the same direction?
> Abortion and Kids are kinda in the same direction?
> The Friends/Love/Solitude post I'd turn Solitude a bit clockwise and 
> Friends counterclockwise.
>

<grin>
Those are the contradictions of Life....  ;-)
Imho, they are as true as if their directions were reversed...

Thomas

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Thomas de Groot wrote:
> "Tim Cook" <z99### [at] bellsouthnet> schreef in bericht 
> news:46ba9f68$1@news.povray.org...
>> Death is in the same direction as Life, but opposite Enemies?
>> Work is opposite Stress and Despair?
>> Peace and War are in the same direction?
>> Abortion and Kids are kinda in the same direction?
>> The Friends/Love/Solitude post I'd turn Solitude a bit clockwise and 
>> Friends counterclockwise.
>>
> 
> <grin>
> Those are the contradictions of Life....  ;-)
> Imho, they are as true as if their directions were reversed...

The signs and their directions are randomly generated, not hand-placed. 
As for similiar things showing into similiar directions: you're assuming 
that once you choose a path, the outcome is what you asked for.

People opting for kids may need an abortion, depending on the 
circumstances, work doesn't have to be full of stress if you enjoy it, etc.

Basically, the idea is that you make choices again and again, not just 
once and go for it, and some outcomes are awfully close to each other 
once you've chosen a certain direction. Think of it as the risks. ;-)

Regards,
Tim

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scam wrote:
> Hi Tim, I really like this new version! The focal blur adds a lot to my eye,
> and I  like that it looks like a scale model.
> 
> Some alternative ideas (not suggestions for improvement though, the image is
> already very good): now that the scene looks like a miniature, perhaps
> changing the sign posts so they look more like a pin would really emphasis
> the actual scale of the image you want to convey. One other idea is to
> extend the road in a ring all around the hill, with an extra path heading
> off towards the top left corner. At the moment the little man looks like he
> has many things to chose between, but only two actual paths to he can go
> down.

I was already thinking about some more paths, it really does look like 
he's got lots of directions but only two choices. I don't think I need 
as many paths as directions, often there are only a couple of possible 
things to do, even if you aim for different outcomes.

As for using pins: that'd be *really* tiny. I do enjoy the model feel, 
but don't want to create an actual measurement for the scene. It just 
feels more abstract and less real as an image, which I find attractive 
on this image.

> Very nice image though.

Thanks. :-)



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Homepage: <http://www.nolights.de>

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dlm wrote:
> Tim,
> Was it Yogi Berra who said:
> "If you come to a fork in the road, take it!"
> and
> "You've got to be very careful if you don't know where you're going, because 
> you might not get there."
> and someone else who said
> "If I were going there I wouldn't start from here."
> DLM

Interesting sentences... Especially the last one, that one's good! ;-)

Regards,
Tim

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aka "Tim Nikias"
Homepage: <http://www.nolights.de>

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> > "Tim Cook" <z99### [at] bellsouthnet> schreef in bericht
> > news:46ba9f68$1@news.povray.org...
> >> Death is in the same direction as Life, but opposite Enemies?
>
Tim Nikias <JUS### [at] gmxnetWARE> wrote:
> Basically, the idea is that you make choices again and again, not just
> once and go for it, and some outcomes are awfully close to each other
> once you've chosen a certain direction. Think of it as the risks. ;-)

Death and life are actually a good example.  Choose death, and you end up
dead. Choose life again and again, and you end up dead; it just takes
longer.

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Tim Cook wrote:
> 
> Have related concepts point in similar directions!
> 

Or all concepts pointing in the same direction ???

Looking good, Mr. Nikias. I noticed that the unnatural grass under the
more natural sky gives the impression that the guy is walking on
someone's model town (Beetlejuice movie intro comes to mind). The effect
adds another dimension to the pic for me.

Still a BIT shy of complete visual cohesion between the elements, which
I think the concept deserves. ..... Looking closely, only the dirt path
is lacking. Here's what I see:

Grass, signs, figure: Miniatures
Sky: realish (works with the "trapped in a construct" interpretation)
Path: CG

 -Shay

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Shay wrote:
> Tim Cook wrote:
>> Have related concepts point in similar directions!
>>
> 
> Or all concepts pointing in the same direction ???
> 
> Looking good, Mr. Nikias. I noticed that the unnatural grass under the
> more natural sky gives the impression that the guy is walking on
> someone's model town (Beetlejuice movie intro comes to mind). The effect
> adds another dimension to the pic for me.

It did for me, too, which is why I'm keeping it (and experimenting with 
more/less focal blur and it's focal point).

> Still a BIT shy of complete visual cohesion between the elements, which
> I think the concept deserves. ..... Looking closely, only the dirt path
> is lacking. Here's what I see:

> Grass, signs, figure: Miniatures
> Sky: realish (works with the "trapped in a construct" interpretation)
> Path: CG

Yup, noted, but have been in mind even before your post, nontheless the 
constructive criticism is appreciated. Just about everything still needs 
a little work and polishing, the figure is slightly disproportionate, 
the clouds look slightly "bandy" and the path/dirt is really just 
preliminary brown.

I'm thinking about creating more spectacular clouds, for a more stylized 
effect, or somewhat more puffy and less like long snakes... Not sure 
which, but I'm not 100% satisfied with their volume yet.

The figure needs some modelling work, but I always try to build the 
image in steps, create some early placeholders to check the composition 
and then refine. Like pop his arms back into the joints, that's 
something a friend told me who has a better feeling for people (she 
likes to draw manga-style and thus has more experience with normal vs 
stylized proportions).

And the path... Stones, better texture, something like that. Either 
aiming for that 50% realism / model-look, or something completely model 
like, have to experiment.

We'll see how the next WIP turns out. ;-)

Regards,
Tim
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Homepage: <http://www.nolights.de>

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Tim Nikias wrote:
> Shay wrote:
>> Grass, signs, figure: Miniatures
>> Sky: realish (works with the "trapped in a construct" interpretation)
>> Path: CG
>
> Yup, noted, but have been in mind even before your post, nontheless
> the constructive criticism is appreciated. Just about everything
> still needs a little work and polishing, the figure is slightly
> disproportionate, the clouds look slightly "bandy" and the path/dirt
> is really just preliminary brown.
>
> I'm thinking about creating more spectacular clouds, for a more
> stylized effect, or somewhat more puffy and less like long snakes...
> Not sure which, but I'm not 100% satisfied with their volume yet.

> And the path... Stones, better texture, something like that. Either
> aiming for that 50% realism / model-look, or something completely
> model like, have to experiment.

The image is already very promising. I'm eager to see how it turns out with 
your planned refinements!

Rune
-- 
http://runevision.com

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