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From: Tim Nikias
Subject: Miss you - WIP #3
Date: 23 Dec 2004 14:06:34
Message: <41cb173a@news.povray.org>
Hi all!

The latest version of the image. I'm unsure if I really want to go ahead and
add some clouds, mainly because the landscape already has much white and
extra clouds would subtract the nice blue-white-contrast.

I'm thinking about pulling the distant lone tree with the fence a little
closer, there's still quite a gap between the forest and the fence. I'll
also need to add some more fine-detail to the main heightfield to avoid the
plain white areas, that just look's awful.

Tried putting some mountains at the horizon, but that just looked
ridiculously overloaded.

Suggestions and comments welcome, as always! :-)

Regards,
Tim

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Homepage: <http://www.nolights.de>


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From: Slime
Subject: Re: Miss you - WIP #3
Date: 23 Dec 2004 14:22:22
Message: <41cb1aee@news.povray.org>
Looks great. A few points:

- It seems strange that there's so many bushes just outside of the forest
and just inside the forest there's nothing on the ground.
- The poles making up the fence look pretty bendy.
- I would agree that you should change the fence's position; why would
someone's property end 30 feet before the forest begins? It just seems
strangely placed.
- The snow looks pretty shallow, so I suggest putting occasional patches of
grass blades sticking above the snow, and maybe rocks or leaves.

 - Slime
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From: Tim Nikias
Subject: Re: Miss you - WIP #3
Date: 23 Dec 2004 14:24:55
Message: <41cb1b87$1@news.povray.org>
> Looks great.

Thank you.

> - It seems strange that there's so many bushes just outside of the forest
> and just inside the forest there's nothing on the ground.

On the to-do list. :-)

> - The poles making up the fence look pretty bendy.

Yup, old and worn out. Maybe a little too much, I'll experiment some more.

> - I would agree that you should change the fence's position; why would
> someone's property end 30 feet before the forest begins? It just seems
> strangely placed.

Maybe because he wasn't allowed to buy more? ;-) I won't go ahead and fit
the fence along the curve of the forest though...

> - The snow looks pretty shallow, so I suggest putting occasional patches
of
> grass blades sticking above the snow, and maybe rocks or leaves.

Might be a possibility... I'll look into that.

Thanks for the suggestions!

Tim

-- 
"Tim Nikias v2.0"
Homepage: <http://www.nolights.de>


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From: Alex McMurray
Subject: Re: Miss you - WIP #3
Date: 23 Dec 2004 15:07:50
Message: <41cb2596@news.povray.org>
Coming along very nicely.

I think the distant lone tree is OK where it is.

What about a roadway between the fence & forest to fill in the gap, or maybe 
a small lake or pond.

Alex


"Tim Nikias" <JUSTTHELOWERCASE:timISNOTnikias(at)gmx.netWARE> wrote in 
message news:41cb173a@news.povray.org...
> Hi all!
>
> The latest version of the image. I'm unsure if I really want to go ahead 
> and
> add some clouds, mainly because the landscape already has much white and
> extra clouds would subtract the nice blue-white-contrast.
>
> I'm thinking about pulling the distant lone tree with the fence a little
> closer, there's still quite a gap between the forest and the fence. I'll
> also need to add some more fine-detail to the main heightfield to avoid 
> the
> plain white areas, that just look's awful.
>
> Tried putting some mountains at the horizon, but that just looked
> ridiculously overloaded.
>
> Suggestions and comments welcome, as always! :-)
>
> Regards,
> Tim
>
> -- 
> "Tim Nikias v2.0"
> Homepage: <http://www.nolights.de>
>
>
>


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From: Alex McMurray
Subject: Re: Miss you - WIP #3
Date: 23 Dec 2004 15:07:56
Message: <41cb259c@news.povray.org>
Coming along very nicely.

I think the distant lone tree is OK where it is.

What about a roadway between the fence & forest to fill in the gap, or maybe
a small lake or pond.

Alex


"Tim Nikias" <JUSTTHELOWERCASE:timISNOTnikias(at)gmx.netWARE> wrote in
message news:41cb173a@news.povray.org...
> Hi all!
>
> The latest version of the image. I'm unsure if I really want to go ahead
> and
> add some clouds, mainly because the landscape already has much white and
> extra clouds would subtract the nice blue-white-contrast.
>
> I'm thinking about pulling the distant lone tree with the fence a little
> closer, there's still quite a gap between the forest and the fence. I'll
> also need to add some more fine-detail to the main heightfield to avoid
> the
> plain white areas, that just look's awful.
>
> Tried putting some mountains at the horizon, but that just looked
> ridiculously overloaded.
>
> Suggestions and comments welcome, as always! :-)
>
> Regards,
> Tim
>
> -- 
> "Tim Nikias v2.0"
> Homepage: <http://www.nolights.de>
>
>
>


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From: Alain
Subject: Re: Miss you - WIP #3
Date: 23 Dec 2004 17:03:12
Message: <41cb40a0$1@news.povray.org>
Tim Nikias nous apporta ses lumieres ainsi en ce 2004-12-23 14:05... :

>Hi all!
>
>The latest version of the image. I'm unsure if I really want to go ahead and
>add some clouds, mainly because the landscape already has much white and
>extra clouds would subtract the nice blue-white-contrast.
>
>I'm thinking about pulling the distant lone tree with the fence a little
>closer, there's still quite a gap between the forest and the fence. I'll
>also need to add some more fine-detail to the main heightfield to avoid the
>plain white areas, that just look's awful.
>
>Tried putting some mountains at the horizon, but that just looked
>ridiculously overloaded.
>
>Suggestions and comments welcome, as always! :-)
>
>Regards,
>Tim
>
>  
>
If you want some clouds, I think they should be wispy, almost transparent.
Contrary to Slime, I see no problem with the proximity of the fence and 
the forest, I've seen similar placement a few times. Maybe the owner of 
the fenced terrain used the trees from the gap to build the fence, or to 
heat his home...
Some natural forests have virtualy no undergrowth or bushes under the 
trees, while having bushes near the edges. Just have the bushes closer 
to the trees would be OK.

Alain


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From: Thomas Lake
Subject: Re: Miss you - WIP #3
Date: 23 Dec 2004 17:18:23
Message: <41cb442f$1@news.povray.org>
Tim Nikias wrote:

>>- The poles making up the fence look pretty bendy.
> 
> 
> Yup, old and worn out. Maybe a little too much, I'll experiment some more.

I don't think it's that they are too bent, maybe just a little, but that 
they are too regular. Each section of the fence is too similar to the 
once before it, creating the look of a regular pattern off into the 
distance. You might want to have some missing cross pieces in some 
sections and have others lying on the ground. But maybe that's just my 
own taste?

>>- I would agree that you should change the fence's position; why would
>>someone's property end 30 feet before the forest begins? It just seems
>>strangely placed.
> 
> 
> Maybe because he wasn't allowed to buy more? ;-) I won't go ahead and fit
> the fence along the curve of the forest though...

Yeah I don't think it would look good with the fence right up against 
for forest, even if it is realistic.


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From: dlm
Subject: Re: Miss you - WIP #3
Date: 23 Dec 2004 19:15:24
Message: <41cb5f9c$1@news.povray.org>
"Alain" <aze### [at] qwertygov> wrote in message 
news:41cb40a0$1@news.povray.org...
> Tim Nikias nous apporta ses lumieres ainsi en ce 2004-12-23 14:05... :
>
>>Hi all!
>>
>>The latest version of the image. I'm unsure if I really want to go ahead 
>>and
>>add some clouds, mainly because the landscape already has much white and
>>extra clouds would subtract the nice blue-white-contrast.
>>
>>I'm thinking about pulling the distant lone tree with the fence a little
>>closer, there's still quite a gap between the forest and the fence. I'll
>>also need to add some more fine-detail to the main heightfield to avoid 
>>the
>>plain white areas, that just look's awful.
>>
>>Tried putting some mountains at the horizon, but that just looked
>>ridiculously overloaded.
>>
>>Suggestions and comments welcome, as always! :-)
>>
>>Regards,
>>Tim
>>
>>
> If you want some clouds, I think they should be wispy, almost transparent.
> Contrary to Slime, I see no problem with the proximity of the fence and 
> the forest, I've seen similar placement a few times. Maybe the owner of 
> the fenced terrain used the trees from the gap to build the fence, or to 
> heat his home...
> Some natural forests have virtualy no undergrowth or bushes under the 
> trees, while having bushes near the edges. Just have the bushes closer to 
> the trees would be OK.
>
> Alain
I like it.
Bushes and trees.
Its about competition for light. So you see a gradient from short to tall - 
very rarely a step. And not so regular.
Best.
DLM


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From: Tim Nikias
Subject: Re: Miss you - WIP #3
Date: 24 Dec 2004 03:42:33
Message: <41cbd679$1@news.povray.org>
> Coming along very nicely.

Thank you!

> What about a roadway between the fence & forest to fill in the gap, or
maybe
> a small lake or pond.


I was thinking about a road, or at least some tracks showing that a road
should be there.

Regards,
Tim

-- 
"Tim Nikias v2.0"
Homepage: <http://www.nolights.de>


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From: Tim Nikias
Subject: Re: Miss you - WIP #3
Date: 24 Dec 2004 03:44:05
Message: <41cbd6d5@news.povray.org>
> > Some natural forests have virtualy no undergrowth or bushes under the
> > trees, while having bushes near the edges. Just have the bushes closer
to
> > the trees would be OK.

> I like it.
> Bushes and trees.
> Its about competition for light. So you see a gradient from short to
tall -
> very rarely a step. And not so regular.

Thanks for the suggestions. Maybe I'll introduce some more randomness in the
positioning and placing of the bushes, as well as moving some of them more
into the forest. A little more variation in scale might be useful as well.

Regards,
Tim

-- 
"Tim Nikias v2.0"
Homepage: <http://www.nolights.de>


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