Jeremy M. Praay wrote:

> etc.  It's not going to be EXACT, but I hope to have a model (and scene)
> that's good enough for people in this area to look at it and say, "Hey,
> that's the old school on Colony Road."  That would make my day.
> 
Old school houses exert a real attraction.  I think the meaning might be 
different for everyone.  There was an abandoned schoolhouse near where I 
grew up.  I would see it as I rode with my parents, to-ing and fro-ing. 
  I would have fantasies about living in it or having and artist's 
studio in it.  Then one year someone actually bought it and fixed it up 
to live in.  The person was rumored to be an artist.  I was green with 
envy.  Felt like my very fantasy had been stolen.  Currently I share a 
studio in an old schoolhouse nearby.  Four stories walkup with very high 
ceilings.  Sweaty but charming.

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Jeremy M. Praay wrote:
> BTW, here's one of the reference pictures that I'm using:
> http://www.beantoad.com/NewImages/dcp_0045.jpg

That's not the original roofing. Those are T-Loc shingles which were first 
introduced in the late-50's or early-60's. Good for windy areas (mine have held 
up to 30+ years of 100+ mph winds) but definitely not original to the building.

If you really need to know:

http://www.tamko.com/res/tam/tam.htm

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Thanks, that's some good information to know.  I had guessed that the
building was abandoned in about 1940, just judging from how some of the
structure has deteriorated.  But the roof still seems to be in quite good
shape.

Those metal bars on the side of the structure, I'm also guessing were added
quite a bit later.  I would figure that they're helping to hold the brick
wall together.  So I'm not planning to include them in my model.

I forgot to mention here that the white sqaure at the top front of the
building says that it was built in 1873.  I emailed the local historical
society to see if they have any old pictures of the school.  It would be
nice to have a reference picture from, say, 1890.  But they haven't
responded, so far.

-- 
Jeremy
"Tim Riley" <tim### [at] netscapenet> wrote in message
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> Jeremy M. Praay wrote:
> > BTW, here's one of the reference pictures that I'm using:
> > http://www.beantoad.com/NewImages/dcp_0045.jpg
>
> That's not the original roofing. Those are T-Loc shingles which were first
> introduced in the late-50's or early-60's. Good for windy areas (mine have
held
> up to 30+ years of 100+ mph winds) but definitely not original to the
building.
>
> If you really need to know:
>
> http://www.tamko.com/res/tam/tam.htm
>

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"Jim Charter" <jrc### [at] msncom> wrote in message
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> Jeremy M. Praay wrote:
>
> > etc.  It's not going to be EXACT, but I hope to have a model (and scene)
> > that's good enough for people in this area to look at it and say, "Hey,
> > that's the old school on Colony Road."  That would make my day.
> >
> Old school houses exert a real attraction.  I think the meaning might be
> different for everyone.  There was an abandoned schoolhouse near where I
> grew up.  I would see it as I rode with my parents, to-ing and fro-ing.
>   I would have fantasies about living in it or having and artist's
> studio in it.  Then one year someone actually bought it and fixed it up
> to live in.  The person was rumored to be an artist.  I was green with
> envy.  Felt like my very fantasy had been stolen.  Currently I share a
> studio in an old schoolhouse nearby.  Four stories walkup with very high
> ceilings.  Sweaty but charming.

:-)

There are several schools in this area that look similar to this.  I can
think of 4 off-hand.  Two are abandoned, one is being lived in, and the
other is now a landscaping business.  This poor old school is pretty far
gone, I'm afraid.  On the back side near the roof, there is an entire
section of bricks missing, the foundation is full of cracks, and the list
goes on.  But not having experience with restoration, maybe those things
could be fixed.  For me, the problems just add to the charm and the mystery.

-- 
Jeremy

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Jeremy M. Praay schrieb:
> Yes, the window-arches are the same iso-surface bricks that make up the
> entire building.  I made a special macro just for the arches.  It's not a
> very portable macro, but it worked well enough for my specific purpose.  A
> more portable macro would probably include the number of bricks to use,
> radius of the inside and outside portion and maybe a cut-off angle.

I did such a macro in the past. It's using only boxes for the bricks, 
but you can specify all the measurements of the arch and then the brick 
count is calculated for you.

Maybe you can use it also for your isosurface bricks...

http://www.b0n541.net/povray/povmacro.html

Just my 2 eurocents,

Bonsai

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"Jeremy M. Praay" <jer### [at] questsoftwarecom> wrote in message
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Isosurface bricks. I'm looking forward to seeing how you pull off the
wooden planks. Will they be individual pieces? Looks good so far. Have
you considered a grid type image made of several views of the
schoolhouse? It would be nice to see some of that detail up close. Plus
you could include some inside shots.

My favorite old buildings are the recently decayed however. Something
about seeing a building from the 60s, 70s, or even 80s that is already
falling apart is really fascinating. There is an old farm house which I
sneak off to when I visit my in-laws. There are newspapers lying around
from 1976, but the people in the house obviously had very little
technology. Most of the buildings have fallen completely down.

I do get a little sad when seeing those things, however, because I used
to actually live in places like that and know that I will likely never
do so again. Having some type of studio would be a poor substitute. From
now on, it's air conditioning, television, and driving for me.

I still sneak off and climb buildings and break into warehouses when my
wife is at work though. To me, any attempt at art is an attempt to
capture something and bring it into my home, to attempt to create art in
a place like that would be in my mind to do the opposite.

 -Shay

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"Shay" <sah### [at] simcopartscom> wrote in message
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>
> Isosurface bricks. I'm looking forward to seeing how you pull off the
> wooden planks. Will they be individual pieces? Looks good so far. Have
> you considered a grid type image made of several views of the
> schoolhouse? It would be nice to see some of that detail up close. Plus
> you could include some inside shots.

I haven't really thought too much about the planks.  If I can use something
simple and have it look good I certainly will.  The shingles will be
individual pieces, tho probably not iso-surfaces, probably just using
textures with normals or something.

If by a "grid type image" you mean multiple perspectives, that's a good
idea.  I'm planning on (or at least considering) creating several scenes
with this school, so I guess I'll just see where it takes me.  I'm also
considering having a school circa 1900 vs today.  I think a wintry scene
would also work well.  Just for kicks, I did an inside radiosity render a
few days ago.  I'm actually considering creating a "real" inside, rather
than a hollow shell. It's so easy to turn things on and off in POV-Ray, that
such ideas are easy to achieve without really sacrificing the render and
parsing time of the outside scenes.
>
> My favorite old buildings are the recently decayed however. Something
> about seeing a building from the 60s, 70s, or even 80s that is already
> falling apart is really fascinating. There is an old farm house which I
> sneak off to when I visit my in-laws. There are newspapers lying around
> from 1976, but the people in the house obviously had very little
> technology. Most of the buildings have fallen completely down.

I had an idea sor of like that for the IRTC "future" topic.  Take something
that everyone would recognize as being "new" and make it look old.  But I
didn't enter (again).

>
> I do get a little sad when seeing those things, however, because I used
> to actually live in places like that and know that I will likely never
> do so again. Having some type of studio would be a poor substitute. From
> now on, it's air conditioning, television, and driving for me.
>
> I still sneak off and climb buildings and break into warehouses when my
> wife is at work though. To me, any attempt at art is an attempt to
> capture something and bring it into my home, to attempt to create art in
> a place like that would be in my mind to do the opposite.
>

I've been tempted to sneak into this old school, just because I'm so curious
about what's inside, but I guess I'm more fearful of getting caught.  Or
worse yet, falling through the floor or something.  But the door looks
pretty well locked.  I think the "breaking" part of "breaking and entering"
would have to apply.  However, I might be able to stick my camera through
some window holes... Hmmm...

-- 
Jeremy

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"Jeremy M. Praay" <sla### [at] hotmailcom> wrote in message
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|
| If by a "grid type image" you mean multiple perspectives,

Exactly. Those types of picture have a lot of mystery which is exciting
in a picture of an old building. I've considered doing an image like
this of the Chrystler building. Just as a decoration for my house.

|
| I've been tempted to sneak into this old school, just because I'm so
| curious ... I think the "breaking" part of "breaking and entering"
| would have to apply.  However, I might be able to stick my camera
| through some window holes... Hmmm...
|

If the city owns it, I wouldn't think twice about cutting that lock.
I've broken into many many places like that and never been caught. In
old commercial buildings, breaking a lock is not really necessary, there
is almost always a broken window in the higher floors through which most
are not bold enough to crawl.

 -Shay

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New version with shingled roof, and a few other small improvements.
www.beantoad.com/NewImages/school9.jpg

Next will be school10.jpg, etc. so if anyone actually wants to follow along
from day to day, feel freed to check my web site.  I'm probably not going to
post much more here until it's nearly done.

Perhaps at some point I'll actually do something with my web site as well.
I've had the domain for almost a year, and I haven't really done anything
yet.  :-/  Creating a WIP section would be fun, but I just can't seem to
even get around to doing that.  darnit.

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Jeremy

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Jeremy M. Praay wrote:


> Perhaps at some point I'll actually do something with my web site as well.
> I've had the domain for almost a year, and I haven't really done anything
> yet.  :-/  Creating a WIP section would be fun, but I just can't seem to
> even get around to doing that.  darnit.
> 
Don't beat yourself up. I think web site maintainance is drudgery 
mostly.  I don't think there is much about it that is fun.  Only seeing 
the result when you are finished.  But you're never bloody finished. 
When I finally recognized it was drudgery, not fun, I managed to get 
something done with it once in a long while. Still, if I had more 
bandwidth maybe I would work at it a bit more often.  The one time I 
posted a link here, and the bandwidth was quickly overwhelmed, I was 
quite embarrassed.

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