Well done.
Thought those were roots of the tree until I re-read the title.  Subtle.

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On Mon, 22 Jul 2002 17:05:20 -0400, Gilles Tran quoth:

> - Rendered with povray 3.5

Personally, I'm starting to suspect you of being a professional
photographer rather than a CG artist ;-)

Outstanding job!

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Gilles Tran wrote:

> - Rendered with povray 3.5

I can't believe that I have the same software :-p

I am yet to convince myself that the Wet Bird is not a
photograph,
and here you are, sending one more masterpiece!

-Kedar

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Very, very impressive, both artistically and technically!

As much as I love the dense foreground, I really admire the colour choices
of the background (the distant hills, the fields).

Living next to a lake, I have to say you got the reflections just right on
the 'pond'... the disturbance (what appears to be less frequent in some
areas when compared to others) is just like that caused by small breaths of
low wind across the surface.

The image looks really nice on my monitor (not dark and not washed out), you
should be very proud of this one!

Lance.

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Christopher James Huff wrote:
> 
> That happens in real life with ponds like this...to me, it's a nice
> little detail that makes it look very realistic.
> 
> [...]

Since this is really a minor issue i don't want to make much ado about it,
but i disagree on this.  Such abrupt changes only occur with relatively
strong and rapidly changing wind.  Also the waves here are quite high
frequency, something also indicating strong wind effect.  The plants in
the picture imply it is quite calm.  Maybe some concentric structures
produced by bubbles or animals would be a nice detail.

Another thing on the water: The reflection seems quite strong at the steep
angles in the foreground, maybe some transparency and scattering media
would be a good idea.

But again, these are only minor issues, the whole composition looks really
nice.

Christoph

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> More likely we'll be able to purchase the poster from zazzle... most of
his works are
> worth it though. :-)

Hi
Thanks for the comments. There'll be a zazzle poster but I'll also make
available a larger version at 1200*1600 on my site. In fact I'll try to put
1200*1600 versions of the images from now on (there's the "Wet bird"
already).

BTW, Jonathan, would it be possible for you to upload the latest version of
your scatter macro to povray.binaries.scene-files ? I wanted it for somebody
in the French group some time ago and your site was down :( I finally found
it in a zip file at irtc.org (thanks google) but I'm not sure it's the
latest version... and it's a great macro !

G.

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3D3### [at] caltelcom...
> You've made me reconsider using low radiosity settings in my scenes.
> With settings as low as you mentioned a person can get away with a lot.

In a case like this it works quite well because the rad artefacts are lost
in the general chaos. For the large version, though, I'll have to make some
critical decisions and re-render some parts with better settings. Still,
what you've obtained so far without radiosity is quite amazing.

> As for the media in the leaves.... it seems a double_illuminate_map
> shouldn't be too hard for those patch-makers looking for a project. With
> a double_illumimate_map you could make even normal leaves behave
> differently when backlit.. without the need for an inside texture.

That would be a great feature. The media is not all satisfactory here, at
least in the close-ups, and there is some darkening on the edges which is
not realistic. They look less like leaves than like little water balloons. I
tried double_illuminate but it didn't work at all.

> > Nice image, very photorealistic (especially the tree's reflection in the
> water).

Thanks !

G.

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3D3D12CC.5D0F2200@gmx.de...
> Since this is really a minor issue i don't want to make much ado about it,
> but i disagree on this.  Such abrupt changes only occur with relatively
> strong and rapidly changing wind.

Well you're probably right about this. I'll explain it by "artistic license"
then :-)

> Maybe some concentric structures
> produced by bubbles or animals would be a nice detail.

They almost made it in the picture in fact but I got lazy. Perhaps I'll make
some tests and add them afterwards. The frog could really use some
concentric circles.

> Another thing on the water: The reflection seems quite strong at the steep
> angles in the foreground, maybe some transparency and scattering media
> would be a good idea.

Another artistic license there. I started with a more realistic approach
like the one you demonstrate on your website, but then I gradually increased
the reflection in the foreground because the bottom part of the image was
much too dark, as I already had this pesky lighting and gamma tolerance
problem to deal with.

> But again, these are only minor issues, the whole composition looks really
> nice.
Thanks !

G.

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Gilles Tran wrote:
> I hope it looks right on your PC or Mac.

  It looks fantastic here. But I must disagree with some other comments: I 
don't see it as "photo-realistic", but more as "photo-realistic painting". 
I inmediately perceive it's not a photo, but I will never suspect it is a 
render... my first impression is that it is a paint job, done perhaps with 
mixed techniques. That's great!

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news: chr### [at] netplexaussieorg...
> The only problem I see is that some of the shadows are too dark,
> especially on the cluster of plants along the fence to the left, the
> shadows are nearly black.

A major issue this one :( particularly if I want to print it (I had trouble
with this before). There are indeed black spots all over the place
(including some of the leaves). Part is due to the post-process I did.
Possibly the only way out would be to ouptut to 48 bit and then use the
compression technique shown by Kari Kivisalo here
http://www.luxlab.com/c/compress.htm
but I don't have Photoshop and my image editor doesn't support 48 bit images
(I haven't tried the Gimp though).

> The only thing that really tips me off that
> this isn't an unprocessed photo is the different tree in the
> reflection...if it was included in a bunch of photos I wouldn't suspect
> it was computer rendered. A really nice job on this one...

Thanks !

G.

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