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> Like I think I said before, I'm not saying it isn't nearly perfect, but
> something in my brain wispers "CG" to me. The thing that sticks out the
most
> is the lack of the reflection of the cameraperson. And something about the
> background or the focal blur just isn't right. I can't exactly say what,
but
> I feel it. :)
I guess I'll come to your defence:-) I too feel that it still looks a bit
rendered. I think it has to do with the focal blur in the background the
fuzzy edge of the table doesn't look quite right. But otherwise it is the
best glass I have ever scene.
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"Thomas Lake" wrote
: I guess I'll come to your defence:-) I too feel that it still looks a bit
: rendered. I think it has to do with the focal blur in the background the
: fuzzy edge of the table doesn't look quite right. But otherwise it is the
: best glass I have ever scene.
:
I think you hit it, Thomas ... of course, in RL, we don't notice the
focal blur ... our eyes adjust and bring each section we view in focus.
But it seems even too much for a photograph, exp with the scene being
as bright as it is. You would expect to have a high f-stop and a large
depth-of-field. That's what gives me that "feeling" that Tony talks of.
Having said that .... it's beautiful !!!!!
--
Y
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> > Like I think I said before, I'm not saying it isn't nearly perfect, but
> > something in my brain wispers "CG" to me. The thing that sticks out the
> most
> > is the lack of the reflection of the cameraperson. And something about the
> > background or the focal blur just isn't right. I can't exactly say what,
> but
> > I feel it. :)
>
> I guess I'll come to your defence:-) I too feel that it still looks a bit
> rendered. I think it has to do with the focal blur in the background the
> fuzzy edge of the table doesn't look quite right. But otherwise it is the
> best glass I have ever scene.
Hmmm... I've done some RL test here, and seems to mee that refractions
on the glass do not shows focal blur, at least in direct vision (don't
know in a photo). That, of course, doesn't means this is not a great
demo scene (which is his purpose, isn't?).
--
Jaime Vives Piqueres
La Persistencia de la Ignorancia
http://www.ignorancia.org/
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in news:3b9d52c3@news.povray.org Y wrote:
> But it seems even too much for a photograph, exp with the scene being
> as bright as it is.
You're comparing with small film camera's, for large film 8"x10" you
can very well have this depth of field.
Ingo
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Jaime Vives Piqueres wrote:
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> Hmmm... I've done some RL test here, and seems to mee that refractions
> on the glass do not shows focal blur
If you would have used a camera then you would have seen the focal blur.
I rendered the table edge area again with
aperture 5
blur_samples 100
confidence 0.9
variance 0.0
and didn't use Photoshop to blur the edge.
http://www.pp.htv.fi/kkivisal/glassware_dof.jpg
There was a sharp edge when I used variance 1/128^2 as suggested by Warp.
http://www.pp.htv.fi/kkivisal/dof_edge.png
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Kari Kivisalo
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On Mon, 10 Sep 2001 03:02:01 +0300, Kari Kivisalo wrote:
>
>Photons and exponential falloff in interior seem to work in beta 1 :)
I've read some posts in this thread and I saw what Tony is taking about
when I first looked at the image, and now that soemone else has seen it
it looks quite exagerated: I'll explain.
On the lefthand sholder of the purple vase the colour seems to fade beyond
the outline of the glass, it's also visible in the other vases but a bit
more prominent in the purple one. It's asthough you've given the glass it's
colour with media but made the media container bigger than the actual vase.
--
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Steve wrote:
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> On the lefthand sholder of the purple vase the colour seems to fade beyond
> the outline of the glass
It's the combination of focal blur and the reflection of the white
background.
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Kari Kivisalo
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"Tony[B]" <ben### [at] catholicorg> wrote in message
news:3b9c1068@news.povray.org...
> As real as this looks, something tells my brain it isn't. I wonder what?
>[snip]
It's the table top. The subtle reflection of the vases is *too* perfect. A small
bump or something to break it up just a bit would improve it. And for a nice
shiny new table like this, I think something very subtle would do. Just enough
to cancel out the equally subtle perfection. A smudged fingerprint or a small
scratch or two somewhere wouldn't hurt either.
I must add though, since I spend more time 'studying' photorealistic techniques
than actually 'practicing' them, my observation is more from analysis and
observation than experience. I hope one day I can demonstrate skills of your
level.
--
Batronyx ^"^
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ingo wrote:
> in news:3b9d1abc@news.povray.org Tony[B] wrote:
> > The thing that sticks out the most
> > is the lack of the reflection of the cameraperson.
>
> When I do things like this in the studio, I try everything to no be in
> the image.
This goes a bit philosophical, but I think this comes close to the
essence of the challenges of the ray-tracing: When defining scenes, be
try to reproduce all the defects and incompletinesses of the real world,
while in most real world activities and photography we try to reduce the
same defects to minimum. Maybe some day these goals reach each other
:-).
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http://news.povray.org/povray.binaries.scene-files/19028/
http://www.pp.htv.fi/kkivisal/glassware2.jpg
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Kari Kivisalo
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