He's posted one I can read now. :)

I like the image. I think that Rainier is a little close, but I know the
foothills are really *more* jagged. The overall effect is still excellent.
I've been near the spot you have depicted, save perhaps that the precise
spot is inside of something. I know there are a lot of trees nearby, the
science fair, the air museum, and buildings off in the distance. This should
be possible, though require patience and dedication.

Still, you've done a lot already!

KOT,
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GrimDude wrote:
> 
> He's posted one I can read now. :)
> 
> I like the image. I think that Rainier is a little close, but I know the
> foothills are really *more* jagged. The overall effect is still excellent.
> I've been near the spot you have depicted, save perhaps that the precise
> spot is inside of something. I know there are a lot of trees nearby, the
> science fair, the air museum, and buildings off in the distance. This should
> be possible, though require patience and dedication.
> 
> Still, you've done a lot already!
> 
> KOT,
> GrimDude
> vos### [at] arkansasnet

Well since he already cheated <G> and used an image map for the moon
why not use artistic license and use an image map of the seattle
sky line and add it ala silluoette in the background ? The emphasis
of the image is the uniquely shaped space needle anyway and perhaps
no one will notice.

BTW looking good Bob.

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It's just that it's so real! :)

GrimDude
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Well the story behind the picture is: it's based upon (measured off of)
a poster I have of it taken, I guess, from Queen Anne Hill. The
orientation and camera location isn't far off from the original so you
may be thinking of that hill. It is very close to what the picture
shows, a young Space Needle at that, no lower platform building
present.You might think of the mountain as close but I've considered it
and the moon both to be telephoto objects, seen as though magnified
through a zoom lense. In which case actually I may have the mountain too
small compared to the moon, not sure.
You may be right about getting more of the Seattle Center added in at
least. Depends on whether I drop it or keep at it long enough.
Thanks for the remarks.

GrimDude wrote:
> 
> He's posted one I can read now. :)
> 
> I like the image. I think that Rainier is a little close, but I know the
> foothills are really *more* jagged. The overall effect is still excellent.
> I've been near the spot you have depicted, save perhaps that the precise
> spot is inside of something. I know there are a lot of trees nearby, the
> science fair, the air museum, and buildings off in the distance. This should
> be possible, though require patience and dedication.
> 
> Still, you've done a lot already!
> 
> KOT,
> GrimDude
> vos### [at] arkansasnet

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Ah yes, I felt it a bit un-pov-like to use the externally made image_map
and hf. But then that is something pov can do well, taking in external
sources, and rendering them.
I did use a part of the poster I drew this from as a city backdrop but
I'm going to remove the image from my "gallery". Don't want to have a
copyrighted piece of material there, although it is only a section of
the poster; none-the-less, it goes.
Wish now I had thought to get a photo last time I was there, last 2
times for that matter. I do have a skyline picture from Alki Beach
across the bay but that's no good for realities sake and it is a pretty
small and distant view.
Thanks much Ken for the praise. I'll build a shrine to me and say you
endorsed it :) That should mean something.


Ken wrote:
> 
> Well since he already cheated <G> and used an image map for the moon
> why not use artistic license and use an image map of the seattle
> sky line and add it ala silluoette in the background ? The emphasis
> of the image is the uniquely shaped space needle anyway and perhaps
> no one will notice.
> 
> BTW looking good Bob.
> 
> --
> Ken Tyler
> 
> tyl### [at] pacbellnet

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Really great. I posted something, I thought, to the first post you made
I guess but I didn't see the moon picture in the other newsreader.
This makes me think the bump_map is too much for a Moon viewed from
Earth, yours look very much as if through binoculars. Guess the shadowy
place is a cloud? Or is that in the image_map? I see you mapped it
planar onto a sphere too, surprised to see that work out so well. Only
problem I see with it is the brown areas. Maybe thats on the image_map
itself too?
I'm definately goin to look into less bump_map. I'll have to rumage
through some of my moon photos here I've taken through the telescope.
As I said in my first post that appears to have vanished, I've got an
idea on fixing up the HF to make it more tree covered.
As for the addition of other city stuff, not much likely except maybe
the monorail train which runs from downtown Seattle to the Space Needle.
If I'm still at this thing in 2001 maybe a cityscape will emerge as
well, but I'm doubting everything for now. Other renders to do as well
you know.
Btw, the reason for a bright moon, I was thinking of photography and the
overexposure of bright objects by comparison to the darker. The Moon
usually only looks dimmer if near a hazy horizon or looked at a minute
by human eye or photographed by itself, so I was going for the time
exposure look. Which reminds me, I'll need to work out motion blur for
the elevators someday too.

Marc Schimmler wrote:
> 
> This one develops nicely!
> 
> Well the bare mountains in the back look a bit like the surface of the
> moon but this pic improves from posting to posting and shows all the
> dedication you put into it.
> 
> Will you add some Seattle scenery to it?
> 
> The moon IMHO is too bright. I work on a scene at the moment were I also
> added a moon.
> 
> I thought I may be of interest for you so I attached the part of the
> picture to this post.
> 
> Here's the code I used for it:
> 
> object {
> sphere {<0.5,0.5,0>,0.5
> pigment { image_map {tga "moont.tga" once interpolate 2 }}
> finish  {ambient 3.0}
> translate <-0.5,-0.5,0>
> scale 100
>   }
>  }
> 
> What do you think?
> 
> Marc
> 
> P.S.:
> I canceled my first answer because the attached got messed up!
> Hopefully this one works!
> --
> Marc Schimmler
> 
>   ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>  [Image]

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Bob Hughes wrote:

> As for the addition of other city stuff, not much likely except maybe
> the monorail train which runs from downtown Seattle to the Space Needle.
> If I'm still at this thing in 2001 maybe a cityscape will emerge as
> well, but I'm doubting everything for now. Other renders to do as well
> you know.
> =Bob

I recently talked to Chris Colefax (via email) and he mentioned that
his cityscape generating include file is very near completion. The
use of his new file may be just what the scene doctor ordered :)

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I've been waiting to try that particular include out. Couldn't help but
think of my scene here to use it on too. Maybe it won't be until 2001
after all.

Ken wrote:
> 
> Bob Hughes wrote:
> 
> > As for the addition of other city stuff, not much likely except maybe
> > the monorail train which runs from downtown Seattle to the Space Needle.
> > If I'm still at this thing in 2001 maybe a cityscape will emerge as
> > well, but I'm doubting everything for now. Other renders to do as well
> > you know.
> > =Bob
> 
> I recently talked to Chris Colefax (via email) and he mentioned that
> his cityscape generating include file is very near completion. The
> use of his new file may be just what the scene doctor ordered :)
> 
> --
> Ken Tyler
> 
> tyl### [at] pacbellnet

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Bob Hughes wrote:
> 
> Really great. I posted something, I thought, to the first post you made
> I guess but I didn't see the moon picture in the other newsreader.
> This makes me think the bump_map is too much for a Moon viewed from
> Earth, yours look very much as if through binoculars. Guess the shadowy
> place is a cloud? Or is that in the image_map? I see you mapped it
> planar onto a sphere too, surprised to see that work out so well. Only
> problem I see with it is the brown areas. Maybe thats on the image_map
> itself too?

It's a cloud! I tried to send you an email after I messed up the
attachment but the AOL postmaster told me that they couldn't find you! A
bump_map for this distance is maybe too much. What I did was some work
on the image. The image can be found at
http://spaceart.com/solar/raw/moon/ . It was stated that this image has
been made from Apollo. So it looked very much B&W. I changed the colors
to a more yellowish tone but this is really a matter of taste. 
The second thing I did was to turn this pic into a Targa file with an
alpha channel. This way it gets the shadow at the left side that has the
color of the sky.

Marc
P.S.: I try to send this as an email too! Just to check if I can reach
you.
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So sorry about the wrong email address, thanks so much for pointing it
out. Didn't realize I had left the "z" out. I've also added an emailing
address to my signature file so maybe any I get will start with a PoV in
the subject line so I don't carelessly delete any incoming mail.
Anyway, back to the moon, not literally of course.
Yeah, the yellowish color looked fine to me. The color depends on so
many factors in reality anyway as you said. I'd place yours at 10
degrees above the horizon for a typical evening around here. But the
moonrise can be a deep orange-red and lunar eclipses any color of the
rainbow (less green, can't recall ever seeing a true green, cyan but not
green).
I figured yours must've been partially cloud-covered.
Obviously a photograph like you used is very well suited to this sort of
thing. I'm always thinking it must be a wrappable image_map on a 3D
sphere to be good and I'm wrong. Like I said before, think I'll get my
poster-sized photo digitized with the camera and apply it instead to see
how it works out. Thanks on 2 counts.


Marc Schimmler wrote:
> 
> It's a cloud! I tried to send you an email after I messed up the
> attachment but the AOL postmaster told me that they couldn't find you! A
> bump_map for this distance is maybe too much. What I did was some work
> on the image. The image can be found at
> http://spaceart.com/solar/raw/moon/ . It was stated that this image has
> been made from Apollo. So it looked very much B&W. I changed the colors
> to a more yellowish tone but this is really a matter of taste.
> The second thing I did was to turn this pic into a Targa file with an
> alpha channel. This way it gets the shadow at the left side that has the
> color of the sky.
> 
> Marc
> P.S.: I try to send this as an email too! Just to check if I can reach
> you.
> --
> Marc Schimmler

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