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From: Noah A
Subject: new question
Date: 15 Aug 1999 20:29:35
Message: <37B75B81.2BB6E9AC@powersurfr.com>
why does povray render SLOWER on a ram drive?


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From: Chris Huff
Subject: Re: new question
Date: 16 Aug 1999 09:06:12
Message: <37B80CED.E0026A7B@compuserve.com>
What are you using the RAM disk for? To store the POV program, includes,
scene file, output image, or what?
It might be slower because there is less RAM for the actual running
program, is it using VM?


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From: Noah A
Subject: Re: new question
Date: 16 Aug 1999 16:21:18
Message: <37B872D0.140F038D@powersurfr.com>
no it's a windows ramdrive and the ramdrive holdes all the components of
rendering from the program to the output and there is still 110MB of other
ram free for the rendering

Chris Huff wrote:

> What are you using the RAM disk for? To store the POV program, includes,
> scene file, output image, or what?
> It might be slower because there is less RAM for the actual running
> program, is it using VM?


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From: Bob Hughes
Subject: Re: new question
Date: 16 Aug 1999 19:17:58
Message: <37b89c26@news.povray.org>
I'm curious, have you tried to put the virtual memory swap file into
that ram drive as well?
This problem makes me think computer memory may be fairly ineffecient
for the task of jumping in and out to the CPU. More likely it is too
fast to keep up good enough, have you got error correction ram?
I'm just interested because I used to use RAM drives way back in my
old DOS days and often thought of doing the same as you.

Bob

Noah A <vip### [at] powersurfrcom> wrote in message
news:37B872D0.140F038D@powersurfr.com...
> no it's a windows ramdrive and the ramdrive holdes all the
components of
> rendering from the program to the output and there is still 110MB of
other
> ram free for the rendering
>
> Chris Huff wrote:
>
> > What are you using the RAM disk for? To store the POV program,
includes,
> > scene file, output image, or what?
> > It might be slower because there is less RAM for the actual
running
> > program, is it using VM?
>


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From: Markus Becker
Subject: Re: new question
Date: 24 Aug 1999 08:00:18
Message: <37C28ADD.F4A5C142@zess.uni-siegen.de>
Bob Hughes wrote:
> 
> I'm curious, have you tried to put the virtual memory swap file into
> that ram drive as well?

Excuse my rudeness, but this is as dumb as putting some of
the gasoline of your car into the trunk (that's where you
put the luggage, I think..) instead of the tank
to try and get the car lighter (less heavy).

Markus


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From: Ken
Subject: Re: new question
Date: 24 Aug 1999 08:04:51
Message: <37C28A36.A6E20798@pacbell.net>
Markus Becker wrote:
> 
> Bob Hughes wrote:
> >
> > I'm curious, have you tried to put the virtual memory swap file into
> > that ram drive as well?
> 
> Excuse my rudeness, but this is as dumb as putting some of
> the gasoline of your car into the trunk (that's where you
> put the luggage, I think..) instead of the tank
> to try and get the car lighter (less heavy).
> 
> Markus

Thank you for giving me my first serious laugh of the day. You are of
course correct though I think I would have found a different analogy
to use.

-- 
Ken Tyler

See my 850+ Povray and 3D Rendering and Raytracing Links at:
http://home.pacbell.net/tylereng/index.html


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From: Alan Kong
Subject: Re: new question
Date: 24 Aug 1999 21:28:39
Message: <37c5430c.586330655@news.povray.org>
On Tue, 24 Aug 1999 14:06:53 +0200, Markus Becker
<bec### [at] zessuni-siegende> wrote:

>Excuse my rudeness, but this is as dumb as putting some of
>the gasoline of your car into the trunk (that's where you
>put the luggage, I think..) instead of the tank
>to try and get the car lighter (less heavy).

  Markus, do you mean that you don't know where the luggage goes? :)

  On the same humorous note, I read a story in the online news headlines
whereby some people who likely neglected to pay their heating utility bill,
were trying to heat their home by warming gasoline in a container on the
kitchen stove. Needless to say, the fire department had to put out a raging
fire in their kitchen. Hopefully, these people are unable to have children
:)

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From: Bob Hughes
Subject: Re: new question
Date: 25 Aug 1999 13:52:59
Message: <37c42d7b@news.povray.org>
It was only a question, sheesh. And hey, I used a propane b-b-q grill
to heat my mobile home several winters ago when the power failed for a
long while and I couldn't get out of my driveway. So maybe I am one of
those people ;) However I did keep some ventilation going in the
meantime.
Needless to say I immediately got a kerosene heating unit. Now is that
smart? If you experienced the foul smelling fumes and troubles from
one of those things you might guess not again.
I'm still curious, what would virtual memory do in a RAM drive then,
anyone know? Start using the disk drive as RAM? Oops, it already does
that (half in jest here).

Bob

Alan Kong <ako### [at] pacbellNO-SPAMnet> wrote in message
news:37c5430c.586330655@news.povray.org...
> On Tue, 24 Aug 1999 14:06:53 +0200, Markus Becker
> <bec### [at] zessuni-siegende> wrote:
>
> >Excuse my rudeness, but this is as dumb as putting some of
> >the gasoline of your car into the trunk (that's where you
> >put the luggage, I think..) instead of the tank
> >to try and get the car lighter (less heavy).
>
>   Markus, do you mean that you don't know where the luggage goes? :)
>
>   On the same humorous note, I read a story in the online news
headlines
> whereby some people who likely neglected to pay their heating
utility bill,
> were trying to heat their home by warming gasoline in a container on
the
> kitchen stove. Needless to say, the fire department had to put out a
raging
> fire in their kitchen. Hopefully, these people are unable to have
children
> :)
>
> --
> Alan
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
> http://www.povray.org - Home of the Persistence of Vision Ray Tracer
> news.povray.org - where POV-Ray enthusiasts around the world can get
> together to exchange ideas, information, and experiences with others
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
>


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From: Alan Kong
Subject: Re: new question
Date: 25 Aug 1999 22:30:17
Message: <37c8a3ea.676675326@news.povray.org>
On Wed, 25 Aug 1999 12:52:22 -0500, "Bob Hughes" <inv### [at] aolcom> wrote:

>I'm still curious, what would virtual memory do in a RAM drive then,
>anyone know? Start using the disk drive as RAM? Oops, it already does
>that (half in jest here).

  If this is possible I don't think there is anything to be gained by doing
so. If a swap file is created then POV-Ray needs more RAM. I'd just let
Windows manage the swap file. Better yet, if POV-Ray parses a scene that
uses up conventional RAM and starts hitting the swap file, get more RAM as
long as one's wallet holds out.

  I used to create RAM drives in DOS, also, Bob. It would often work
beautifully and noticeably faster, too. I am only talking about tiny
applications running in a total of 640k RAM on an old 8088, though.

-- 
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From: Mark Wagner
Subject: Re: new question
Date: 26 Aug 1999 00:38:10
Message: <37c4c4b2@news.povray.org>
Bob Hughes wrote in message <37b89c26@news.povray.org>...
>I'm curious, have you tried to put the virtual memory swap file into
>that ram drive as well?


I've seen Windows put the disk cache into virtual memory a few times!

Mark


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