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here's the situation, i'm creating a complex model (over 200 primitives
so far) and i would like to save the individual parts as .inc files
instead of .pov files. of course, i have already been saving those
parts as objects instead of scenes within moray, but how can i get moray
to #include a previously saved object instead of adding it to the
scene? does merge object automatically add it to the scene? is there
another way to add an object to a scene? if it's in the docs, point the
way.
the main reason i want to have the .inc files is for distribution. some
of the parts are so complex that nobody will want to mess with them
anyway and putting them in the main scene file gets really messy! plus,
i only named major components so everything minor is cylinder136,
cube078 etc.
also, is there a way to take advantage of povray's programming elements
within moray or will i have to do that by hand after model creation?
thanks,
ryan constantine
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HI Ryan- if you go to the Scene>Settings> Includes tab I think you can
specify all the includes you want.
-Pascal
ryan constantine wrote in message <38D### [at] yahoo com>...
>here's the situation, i'm creating a complex model (over 200 primitives
>so far) and i would like to save the individual parts as .inc files
>instead of .pov files. of course, i have already been saving those
>parts as objects instead of scenes within moray, but how can i get moray
>to #include a previously saved object instead of adding it to the
>scene? does merge object automatically add it to the scene? is there
>another way to add an object to a scene? if it's in the docs, point the
>way.
>
>the main reason i want to have the .inc files is for distribution. some
>of the parts are so complex that nobody will want to mess with them
>anyway and putting them in the main scene file gets really messy! plus,
>i only named major components so everything minor is cylinder136,
>cube078 etc.
>
>also, is there a way to take advantage of povray's programming elements
>within moray or will i have to do that by hand after model creation?
>thanks,
>ryan constantine
>
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"Pascal Golay" <cgo### [at] idtnet> wrote in message
news:38d98853@news.povray.org...
| HI Ryan- if you go to the Scene>Settings> Includes tab I think you can
| specify all the includes you want.
Yes, however you can't work on those (*.inc) files in Moray as I understand it.
Bob
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You can play with "visibility level", see the doc of Moray for
more details but the idea is the following:
Suppose you have 2 objects each made with 200 primitives. Now
suppose you have finished one and don't want to change it anymore.
So you set its visibility level to 2 and you set the visibility level
of the second object (the one you want to modify) to 1, now you
go to view->configuration and you set the global visibility level (GVL)
to 1 and all the objects (in this case just one) with visibility level
smaller or equal to 1 will appear at screen. Now if you set GVL to
2, all the objects (in this case all ones) with visibility level
smaller or equal to 2 will appear at screen, etc...
I hope this help,
Fabian.
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> here's the situation, i'm creating a complex model (over 200 primitives
> so far) and i would like to save the individual parts as .inc files
> instead of .pov files. of course, i have already been saving those
> parts as objects instead of scenes within moray, but how can i get moray
> to #include a previously saved object instead of adding it to the
> scene? does merge object automatically add it to the scene? is there
> another way to add an object to a scene? if it's in the docs, point the
> way.
>
> the main reason i want to have the .inc files is for distribution. some
> of the parts are so complex that nobody will want to mess with them
> anyway and putting them in the main scene file gets really messy! plus,
> i only named major components so everything minor is cylinder136,
> cube078 etc.
>
> also, is there a way to take advantage of povray's programming elements
> within moray or will i have to do that by hand after model creation?
> thanks,
> ryan constantine
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i don't think i made myself clear. i just want to save objects as includes
for organizational purposes. my computer is fast enough that having all
that information on the screen at once isn't a problem. it's just that in
regular povray, i would hand code an object, save it as an .inc file and
write a separate .pov scene file with camera and lights with a #include
reference to the .inc file. that's all i want to do, but i want to do it in
moray. the thing pascal mentioned, does the object in the include need to
be positioned already since it can't be manipulated within moray?
ryan constantine wrote:
> here's the situation, i'm creating a complex model (over 200 primitives
> so far) and i would like to save the individual parts as .inc files
> instead of .pov files. of course, i have already been saving those
> parts as objects instead of scenes within moray, but how can i get moray
> to #include a previously saved object instead of adding it to the
> scene? does merge object automatically add it to the scene? is there
> another way to add an object to a scene? if it's in the docs, point the
> way.
>
> the main reason i want to have the .inc files is for distribution. some
> of the parts are so complex that nobody will want to mess with them
> anyway and putting them in the main scene file gets really messy! plus,
> i only named major components so everything minor is cylinder136,
> cube078 etc.
>
> also, is there a way to take advantage of povray's programming elements
> within moray or will i have to do that by hand after model creation?
> thanks,
> ryan constantine
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Ok so to have an include, it is easy:
scene->setting->include and there you choose your include file.
Doing like this, you cannot modify any properties of the object within
Moray, so you cannot move it for example.
If you want to be able to change some properties of an object
which is define by an include file, you must do like this:
go to the site : http://www.enter.net/~cfusner/tutorial/ch25.html
read and load the Triscan macro. With this macro, you will be
able to create a rough RAW file of your object define by an inc.
Now with 3d win : http://www.stmuc.com/thbaier/
you can convert your raw file as udo/inc. So you have an udo file
and an inc file, now you replace this inc file (generate by 3d win)
by the initial inc which define your object.
Now in Moray, you create an udo, and a rough representation of
your object will appear and if you move it, your inc object will also
move in your scene.
Fabian.
>
> i don't think i made myself clear. i just want to save objects as includes
> for organizational purposes. my computer is fast enough that having all
> that information on the screen at once isn't a problem. it's just that in
> regular povray, i would hand code an object, save it as an .inc file and
> write a separate .pov scene file with camera and lights with a #include
> reference to the .inc file. that's all i want to do, but i want to do it in
> moray. the thing pascal mentioned, does the object in the include need to
> be positioned already since it can't be manipulated within moray?
>
> ryan constantine wrote:
>
> > here's the situation, i'm creating a complex model (over 200 primitives
> > so far) and i would like to save the individual parts as .inc files
> > instead of .pov files. of course, i have already been saving those
> > parts as objects instead of scenes within moray, but how can i get moray
> > to #include a previously saved object instead of adding it to the
> > scene? does merge object automatically add it to the scene? is there
> > another way to add an object to a scene? if it's in the docs, point the
> > way.
> >
> > the main reason i want to have the .inc files is for distribution. some
> > of the parts are so complex that nobody will want to mess with them
> > anyway and putting them in the main scene file gets really messy! plus,
> > i only named major components so everything minor is cylinder136,
> > cube078 etc.
> >
> > also, is there a way to take advantage of povray's programming elements
> > within moray or will i have to do that by hand after model creation?
> > thanks,
> > ryan constantine
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Ryan,
Why not change the pov files to inc files, then make a UDO file for each of
your inc files. The UDO file is very simple to create. I have several inc
files that I use in this manner. I use them for parallel-ray spotlights and
many architectual objects that I use often.
ryan constantine wrote:
> here's the situation, i'm creating a complex model (over 200 primitives
> so far) and i would like to save the individual parts as .inc files
> instead of .pov files. of course, i have already been saving those
> parts as objects instead of scenes within moray, but how can i get moray
> to #include a previously saved object instead of adding it to the
> scene? does merge object automatically add it to the scene? is there
> another way to add an object to a scene? if it's in the docs, point the
> way.
>
> the main reason i want to have the .inc files is for distribution. some
> of the parts are so complex that nobody will want to mess with them
> anyway and putting them in the main scene file gets really messy! plus,
> i only named major components so everything minor is cylinder136,
> cube078 etc.
>
> also, is there a way to take advantage of povray's programming elements
> within moray or will i have to do that by hand after model creation?
> thanks,
> ryan constantine
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This is excatly what I said :) And now with the triscan macro
we can do udo very easily and quite accurately :)
Fabian.
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> Ryan,
>
> Why not change the pov files to inc files, then make a UDO file for each of
> your inc files. The UDO file is very simple to create. I have several inc
> files that I use in this manner. I use them for parallel-ray spotlights and
> many architectual objects that I use often.
>
> ryan constantine wrote:
>
> > here's the situation, i'm creating a complex model (over 200 primitives
> > so far) and i would like to save the individual parts as .inc files
> > instead of .pov files. of course, i have already been saving those
> > parts as objects instead of scenes within moray, but how can i get moray
> > to #include a previously saved object instead of adding it to the
> > scene? does merge object automatically add it to the scene? is there
> > another way to add an object to a scene? if it's in the docs, point the
> > way.
> >
> > the main reason i want to have the .inc files is for distribution. some
> > of the parts are so complex that nobody will want to mess with them
> > anyway and putting them in the main scene file gets really messy! plus,
> > i only named major components so everything minor is cylinder136,
> > cube078 etc.
> >
> > also, is there a way to take advantage of povray's programming elements
> > within moray or will i have to do that by hand after model creation?
> > thanks,
> > ryan constantine
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thanks, that's what i'll try. i'll let you guys know how it goes.
Fabian BRAU wrote:
> This is excatly what I said :) And now with the triscan macro
> we can do udo very easily and quite accurately :)
>
> Fabian.
>
> >
> > Ryan,
> >
> > Why not change the pov files to inc files, then make a UDO file for each of
> > your inc files. The UDO file is very simple to create. I have several inc
> > files that I use in this manner. I use them for parallel-ray spotlights and
> > many architectual objects that I use often.
> >
> > ryan constantine wrote:
> >
> > > here's the situation, i'm creating a complex model (over 200 primitives
> > > so far) and i would like to save the individual parts as .inc files
> > > instead of .pov files. of course, i have already been saving those
> > > parts as objects instead of scenes within moray, but how can i get moray
> > > to #include a previously saved object instead of adding it to the
> > > scene? does merge object automatically add it to the scene? is there
> > > another way to add an object to a scene? if it's in the docs, point the
> > > way.
> > >
> > > the main reason i want to have the .inc files is for distribution. some
> > > of the parts are so complex that nobody will want to mess with them
> > > anyway and putting them in the main scene file gets really messy! plus,
> > > i only named major components so everything minor is cylinder136,
> > > cube078 etc.
> > >
> > > also, is there a way to take advantage of povray's programming elements
> > > within moray or will i have to do that by hand after model creation?
> > > thanks,
> > > ryan constantine
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Have you used the triscan macro yet?
Fabian BRAU wrote:
> This is excatly what I said :) And now with the triscan macro
> we can do udo very easily and quite accurately :)
>
> Fabian.
>
> >
> > Ryan,
> >
> > Why not change the pov files to inc files, then make a UDO file for each of
> > your inc files. The UDO file is very simple to create. I have several inc
> > files that I use in this manner. I use them for parallel-ray spotlights and
> > many architectual objects that I use often.
> >
> > ryan constantine wrote:
> >
> > > here's the situation, i'm creating a complex model (over 200 primitives
> > > so far) and i would like to save the individual parts as .inc files
> > > instead of .pov files. of course, i have already been saving those
> > > parts as objects instead of scenes within moray, but how can i get moray
> > > to #include a previously saved object instead of adding it to the
> > > scene? does merge object automatically add it to the scene? is there
> > > another way to add an object to a scene? if it's in the docs, point the
> > > way.
> > >
> > > the main reason i want to have the .inc files is for distribution. some
> > > of the parts are so complex that nobody will want to mess with them
> > > anyway and putting them in the main scene file gets really messy! plus,
> > > i only named major components so everything minor is cylinder136,
> > > cube078 etc.
> > >
> > > also, is there a way to take advantage of povray's programming elements
> > > within moray or will i have to do that by hand after model creation?
> > > thanks,
> > > ryan constantine
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