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> Seriously, is there any specific reason that I can't plug my MP3 player
> into my car? Or is it just so that Renault can extract more money from me
> to have an MP3-capable head unit installed? (And even then it still won't
> play Ogg Vorbis...)
Car companies can easily have 90%+ margin on optional extras, it's how they
make a significant proportion of their profit and it subsidises the base
price of the car.
BTW, I'm sure with a little investigating you can find the analogue AUX
inputs to the head unit and wire up a 3.5mm socket somewhere...
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scott wrote:
> Car companies can easily have 90%+ margin on optional extras.
Great. So I'm being deliberately stopped from doing something trivially
easy just so Renault can make more profit. *sigh*
> BTW, I'm sure with a little investigating you can find the analogue AUX
> inputs to the head unit and wire up a 3.5mm socket somewhere...
I wouldn't mind, but the stereo isn't replaceable. It's one of these
units that's welded to the dashboard. It's nice that it matches the
interior and everything (and it has things like satelite controls, and a
feature where it turns the volume up when you reach a certain speed),
but on the other hand it means you can *only* install one of the 4
models of stereo that Renault sell. And it's so expensive that you might
as well buy an entire new car; much cheaper than paying for an
authorised dealer to install an authorised unit.
And all because they didn't include a 12p audio socket...
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>> Car companies can easily have 90%+ margin on optional extras.
>
> Great. So I'm being deliberately stopped from doing something trivially
> easy just so Renault can make more profit. *sigh*
Actually they are using that extra profit to reduce the base price of their
cars, so you should be thanking all the people spending thousands on extras
for subsidising your car :-)
> I wouldn't mind, but the stereo isn't replaceable. It's one of these units
> that's welded to the dashboard.
Extremely unlikely that you can't get it out (or that it's welded), dealers
have to replace these sorts of things all the time. You just have to look
around for where the screws and catches are hidden under various bits of
trim. Online forums will no doubt have the answer if you can't figure it
out for your particular car.
> but on the other hand it means you can *only* install one of the 4 models
> of stereo that Renault sell. And it's so expensive that you might as well
> buy an entire new car; much cheaper than paying for an authorised dealer
> to install an authorised unit.
>
> And all because they didn't include a 12p audio socket...
My point is the electrical connection is probably right there behind *your*
head unit, you just need to connect three wires to it.
If it's available as an after-fit option then you might be able to find
online the actual official service guide for installing it. I found the one
for putting a USB socket in my car, but apparently it has to be wired up to
some box of tricks in the boot, and involved taking out seats and stuff, so
I decided not to bother.
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>> Great. So I'm being deliberately stopped from doing something
>> trivially easy just so Renault can make more profit. *sigh*
>
> Actually they are using that extra profit to reduce the base price of
> their cars, so you should be thanking all the people spending thousands
> on extras for subsidising your car :-)
It's almost like those companies that sell you a printer for £20 and
then charge you £80 for the ink...
>> I wouldn't mind, but the stereo isn't replaceable. It's one of these
>> units that's welded to the dashboard.
>
> Extremely unlikely that you can't get it out (or that it's welded),
> dealers have to replace these sorts of things all the time.
My point is, it's not a standard-sized stereo that you can just replace.
It's a custom-fit job. Only a Renault stereo would be the correct size
and shape (and colour, for that matter) to fit into the space. So I
can't just go to the nearest shop and buy a decent stereo. I can *only*
buy one from Renault. And, as I say, it would be cheaper to buy an
entire new car. (Not to mention that Renault only offer 4 models of
stereo to choose from for this car anyway.)
>> And all because they didn't include a 12p audio socket...
>
> My point is the electrical connection is probably right there behind
> *your* head unit, you just need to connect three wires to it.
I severely doubt it. If their intention is to force you to expend money,
they will presumably have made this is difficult as humanly possible to
prevent you not expending money.
> If it's available as an after-fit option then you might be able to find
> online the actual official service guide for installing it.
As far as I can tell, none of the 4 available models has an audio
socket. They have different radio capabilities, and there's an option to
fit a CD changer. I think one model even supports MP3. But no audio
socket. Ever. (Nor USB, by the way.)
I guess if you wanted USB, you'd have to buy a more expensive car. (How
absurd is that?)
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Phil Cook v2 wrote:
> Illogical barriers to progress, invisible walls is snappier though.
Logical barriers is best, tho. Like Myst or Thief. :-)
> Well everyone's different. I can't stand racing games, my cousin loves
> them.
The best racing game I saw has a mode you could unlock where it was one long
street crossing another very busy street, and the game was to see how many
points of destruction you could cause in a wreck. It turned out that
turning over the logging truck into the side of the gasoline tank truck did
a very nice job of it. And the explosions and other demolitions were
wonderfully realistic.
--
Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
Eiffel - The language that lets you specify exactly
that the code does what you think it does, even if
it doesn't do what you wanted.
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Invisible wrote:
> My point is, it's not a standard-sized stereo that you can just replace.
I doubt that's true. I suspect ifyou pulled the dashboard off, you'd see one
of the standard-sized holes with a standard-sized radio with lots of trim
making it fit smoothly into the dash.
--
Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
Eiffel - The language that lets you specify exactly
that the code does what you think it does, even if
it doesn't do what you wanted.
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And lo On Thu, 10 Jun 2010 16:32:08 +0100, Darren New <dne### [at] san rrcom>
did spake thusly:
> Phil Cook v2 wrote:
>> Illogical barriers to progress, invisible walls is snappier though.
>
> Logical barriers is best, tho. Like Myst or Thief. :-)
>
>> Well everyone's different. I can't stand racing games, my cousin loves
>> them.
>
> The best racing game I saw has a mode you could unlock where it was one
> long street crossing another very busy street, and the game was to see
> how many points of destruction you could cause in a wreck. It turned
> out that turning over the logging truck into the side of the gasoline
> tank truck did a very nice job of it. And the explosions and other
> demolitions were wonderfully realistic.
Hence Burnout Paradise being pretty much the only racing game I enjoy :-)
--
Phil Cook
--
I once tried to be apathetic, but I just couldn't be bothered
http://flipc.blogspot.com
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Phil Cook v2 wrote:
> Hence Burnout Paradise being pretty much the only racing game I enjoy :-)
Is that what it's called? I'll have to see if I can get that for the xbox.
I played it on my brother's 9-foot projection tv screen. It was awesome.
--
Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
Eiffel - The language that lets you specify exactly
that the code does what you think it does, even if
it doesn't do what you wanted.
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Darren New wrote:
> Is that what it's called? I'll have to see if I can get that for the xbox.
Neat.
http://www.xbox.com/en-us/games/b/burnoutparadise/default.htm
For those who don't know what we're talking about:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-RjsMdOG6E
Imagine that where one of the sub-games is seeing how much destruction you
can cause in a busy intersection.
--
Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
Eiffel - The language that lets you specify exactly
that the code does what you think it does, even if
it doesn't do what you wanted.
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Patrick Elliott wrote:
> Sony ever fixed those issues
Ahahaha. At least then, when it was still partially Verent, you got the
"Sorry, citizen, but you are not allowed to do that in our game. We are
going to 'fix' this problem." They have moved from, "fixing bugs in ways
you hate." to, "use this micro-transaction to give us more money."
I did hear the quest got a kludge fix. Anyone can just start it in the
middle, without the petition for citizenship paper.
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