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Jim Henderson wrote:
> Huh, that's not been my experience. What version are you looking at?
Whatever is recent. You put the cursor on a cell and start typing, and
it doesn't replace the entry. You try to cursor off, it doesn't move.
You replace a cell and go to save the file, and you have to cursor out
of the cell before it agrees the spreadsheet is changed. You right-click
on the place at the top where you enter equations, and you don't get a
copy/paste menu. You type something that looks like a URL, then go back
and try to change it, and it wont let you click the URL to put the
cursor inside it. All sorts of stuff like that.
And ^V doesn't paste in a terminal window (under KDE at least). And "+
doesn't select the paste buffer in vim, but it does in gvim. And when
you have a long URL you typed in by hand and the receiving site bounces
you to a different URL (because the search failed or whatever), firefox
will let you select that URL again, but you're pretty much screwed
(afaict) if you actually want to edit it without retyping it.
... Since someone asked me where I found cut&paste doesn't work ...
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"That's pretty. Where's that?"
"It's the Age of Channelwood."
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Darren New <dne### [at] san rrcom> wrote:
> Warp wrote:
> > Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote:
> >> Speaking of which, oocalc is the most insanely frustrating UI experience
> >> I can remember. *Way* pain in the butt.
> >
> > You should demand your money back.
> You're so cute sometimes. <pat pat>
Well, you complaining about the UI of oocalc makes no sense. Nobody forces
you to use it, and it didn't cost you any money (which means you were not
ripped off). If you don't like it, don't use it.
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- Warp
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Warp wrote:
> Well, you complaining about the UI of oocalc makes no sense.
Only if you think I expect any results from the comments other than
conversation.
Complaining about how lame Vista is doesn't make any sense either.
Happens all the time, tho.
Besides, sometimes people give actual useful advice and clear up some of
my ignorance.
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"That's pretty. Where's that?"
"It's the Age of Channelwood."
"We should go there on vacation some time."
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Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote:
> Complaining about how lame Vista is doesn't make any sense either.
Actually it does, given that it's rather expensive and one would expect
some level of quality. Also the fact that Microsoft has a de-facto monopoly
status makes it even more relevant.
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Warp wrote:
> Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote:
>> Complaining about how lame Vista is doesn't make any sense either.
>
> Actually it does, given that it's rather expensive and one would expect
> some level of quality.
But complaining about it generally isn't going to improve the quality of
Vista, whereas it might actually improve the quality of GNU stuff, yes?
:-) Certainly complaining about oocalc is more likely to be productive
than complaining about excel.
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Darren New / San Diego, CA, USA (PST)
"That's pretty. Where's that?"
"It's the Age of Channelwood."
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On Wed, 12 Mar 2008 20:20:45 -0700, Darren New wrote:
> Jim Henderson wrote:
>> Huh, that's not been my experience. What version are you looking at?
>
> Whatever is recent. You put the cursor on a cell and start typing, and
> it doesn't replace the entry.
Worksforme.
> You try to cursor off, it doesn't move.
Worksforme
> You replace a cell and go to save the file, and you have to cursor out
> of the cell before it agrees the spreadsheet is changed.
Worksforme
> You right-click
> on the place at the top where you enter equations, and you don't get a
> copy/paste menu.
Never tried this, I always use the keyboard shortcuts.
> You type something that looks like a URL, then go back
> and try to change it, and it wont let you click the URL to put the
> cursor inside it.
This behaviour I see, but because it changes the URL to a clickable
link. There's probably an option to disable that reformatting, but I do
that so rarely I haven't bothered trying to find the setting.
> And ^V doesn't paste in a terminal window (under KDE at least).
Does in GNOME - I use that regularly. This is probably, though, one of
my biggest beefs with Linux programs - the copy/paste buffer isn't always
common between apps.
> And "+
> doesn't select the paste buffer in vim, but it does in gvim. And when
> you have a long URL you typed in by hand and the receiving site bounces
> you to a different URL (because the search failed or whatever), firefox
> will let you select that URL again, but you're pretty much screwed
> (afaict) if you actually want to edit it without retyping it.
>
> ... Since someone asked me where I found cut&paste doesn't work ...
I've never had a problem editing URLs in Firefox....
Jim
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Darren New wrote:
> :-) Certainly complaining about oocalc is more likely to be productive
> than complaining about excel.
No, complaining is never that productive, though sometimes we can't
help. Complaining to be effective in the free software world should be
filing a bug report and detailing the steps to reproduce it. Most
people just give up on it and turn to forum bashing.
Of course, much more effective than complaining or filing bug reports is
taking some time to volunteer to squash a few bugs or add missing and
useful functionality, if you're a developer. Yesterday, there was a
complain here about Thunderbird not having a simple textbox to edit
newsgroups signatures. I'd never know that as I don't use it. I'm
thinking of implementing it whenever I get the time. Shouldn't be that
difficult, as soon as I get to the exact point where it happens in the
gigantic Mozilla source. Thankfully, that project has come up with some
excellent infrastructure to help out identify bugs (bugzilla) or browse
the fully annotated and hyperlinked source, via LXR:
http://lxr.mozilla.org/seamonkey/source/
but it's so damned biiiig! :P
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Darren New wrote:
> You put the cursor on a cell and start typing, and
> it doesn't replace the entry. You try to cursor off, it doesn't move.
oh, please! I don't use spreadsheets or text formatters that much, but
I was compelled to test it out. Downloaded the latest OO and opened it
side by side with Excel under Windows 2000. Both work as they should:
you put the cursor on a cell (either by mouse or arrow key) and it
replaces the previous entry. You move it with the arrow key, and it
goes off the cell as expected.
Do you work for Microsoft to be spreading such annoying FUD?
> You replace a cell and go to save the file, and you have to cursor out
> of the cell before it agrees the spreadsheet is changed.
Didn't happen either.
> You right-click
> on the place at the top where you enter equations, and you don't get a
> copy/paste menu.
This is another software and it does not feature the exact same key
combos or menu items. It's such a common complain that people want
other software to behave *exactly* like the software they're used to.
But do not fear: a simple CTRL+C over the cell will copy as expected.
Much easier than moving the hand away to reach the mouse to reach the
top bar to reach a stupid submenu for this basic functionality.
> You type something that looks like a URL, then go back
> and try to change it, and it wont let you click the URL to put the
> cursor inside it.
that's true. Not even in the top bar. I didn't carefully check
available settings, though.
> All sorts of stuff like that.
Well, only 1 out of 3 issues you mentioned turned out to be true and one
was just the regular "X doesn't behave like Y".
OTOH, I'm testing the Windows version, not Linux, though I don't recall
any problems like that from my home Linux usage to edit my finance tables...
you're much too cranky these days, Darren...
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Jim Henderson wrote:
> Worksforme.
> Worksforme
> Worksforme
It probably depends on exactly what you've done and what state it's in.
I just know that after about 10 minutes I fell back to editing the CSV
files with VI. :-)
>> You right-click
>> on the place at the top where you enter equations, and you don't get a
>> copy/paste menu.
>
> Never tried this, I always use the keyboard shortcuts.
That didn't work to me.
> Does in GNOME - I use that regularly. This is probably, though, one of
> my biggest beefs with Linux programs - the copy/paste buffer isn't always
> common between apps.
Yeah. Or there's more than one of them. Or stuff in the buffer does or
does not get replaced simply by changing the focus.
> I've never had a problem editing URLs in Firefox....
This was specifically a URL that immediately redirected to a different
URL. I couldn't figure an easy way of copying it into the address bar
without having to retype it.
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"That's pretty. Where's that?"
"It's the Age of Channelwood."
"We should go there on vacation some time."
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nemesis wrote:
> you put the cursor on a cell (either by mouse or arrow key) and it replaces the
previous entry. You move it with the arrow key, and it goes off the cell as expected.
That was my bad. If you're up in the formula-entry bar, the arrow keys
won't move you out of it, even for up/down. Again, just something I
stumble over. Understandable, but frustrating nevertheless.
>> You replace a cell and go to save the file, and you have to cursor out
>> of the cell before it agrees the spreadsheet is changed.
>
> Didn't happen either.
This is very reproducable for me.
I open a CSV file with "oocalc yadda.csv"
I click on one of the cells that has text.
I type different text without hitting return or anything.
Neither the little floppy icon nor the save menu is enabled.
Click on a different cell, and those menus are both enabled.
Build 2.0.4.7.
Just something I stumble over. A break in the flow of work where I have
to put away thinking about the next step in order to remember what I do
about this problem. :-)
>> You right-click on the place at the top where you enter equations, and
>> you don't get a copy/paste menu.
>
> This is another software and it does not feature the exact same key
> combos or menu items.
Well, yes. It hasn't any right-click menu, which I find surprising
given the cells themselves have right-click menus. I've gotten in the
habit over years of using the right-mouse button. Probably because I
used Smalltalk so much.
> It's such a common complain that people want
> other software to behave *exactly* like the software they're used to.
I'm not used to any other spreadsheet software, if that's what you mean.
I have no idea if Excel does the same sort of thing or not. I just
expect the right-click button on the edit box for a cell to have the
same sorts of options as the right-click box for a cell. It's a
consistency-with-itself thing, not a consistency-with-other-stuff thing.
> But do not fear: a simple CTRL+C over the cell will copy as expected.
> Much easier than moving the hand away to reach the mouse to reach the
> top bar to reach a stupid submenu for this basic functionality.
Unless you're already in the top bar. :-)
> you're much too cranky these days, Darren...
Yah. Working too hard.
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"That's pretty. Where's that?"
"It's the Age of Channelwood."
"We should go there on vacation some time."
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