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Tom Austin wrote:
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> Andrew,
> I haven't followed the entire thread here so I don't know everything
> that's been said.
> I did take the time just now to find the Haskell list that this all
> happened on. I even found the thread. I didn't read all of the
> messages (Haskell is not my cup of tea), but I think I read enough to
> put in my 2 shillings :-)
>
>
>
Some phrases that might start to help ease things
Something I thought of...
One way to approach it is...
IMHO...
I think...
Anything that makes it more subjective and lends that something else
could be true.
Some phrases that tend to not do good
You need to...
Do it like this...
Anything that makes your statement seem like fact with no alternatives.
Tom
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Tom Austin wrote:
> shilling 1
> New kid on the block syndrome
Yeah, probably.
> shilling 2
> Old geezer on the stick syndrome
Well, if you've seen the photos, there *are* a lot of people with beards.
(I recent survey found that 70% of people wouldn't trust a man with a
beard to sell them a used car. Obviously, the missing information here
is the percentage of people who would trust *anybody* to sell them a
used car!)
> I think you are viewed as relatively new in the Haskell group. The Mr
> PhDs (it seems there are a couple) see you as a nuisance.
Yeah, probably.
The first time I was flamed, it was simply for talking too much. In
fairness, I was generating approximately 70% of all the traffic on the
list. (So... like povray.off-topic then! Except that's NNTP, and this is
the much more primitive SMTP. If I say something, *everybody* has to
read it. I suggested that they should switch to NNTP, and... got flamed
again. Well, no, not "flamed"... just vocal disagreement.)
The second time I got flamed was for asking questions about things that
aren't Haskell. (E.g., "what is Usenet?")
I don't remember what the third time was now...
> In the same token it seems that the way you are positing information is
> rubbing more than one person wrong. Are you 100% sure that your answers
> are correct??? Or is it a gut feeling that is likely correct. If it is
> the latter and you come across as the former, you are just making sticks
> longer.
Basically I stepped on the guy's favourit branch of mathematics. I wrote
statements which could be construed as indicating that category theory
is uncomprehensible and irrelevant. Now I know for a fact just how
frustrating it is when every single human being I encounter thinks
exactly the same thing about Haskell, so that's probably why I was flamed.
(Oh yeah, and I mixed up a left-fold and a right-fold. Not that the
conversation was *about* folds or that it was in any way relevant to the
discussion I was having... I just wanted an example to illustrate
something, and I make a simple [and irrelevant] mistake. Oh well!)
> IMHO, maybe you could flip this whole thing on it's head.
> Go back to the Haskell group and write a public message specifically to
> Mr. jerzy & co (in the subject)..... and apologize if you've offended
> him, state that you are trying to learn life (not just Haskell) and are
> working on it.
Actually, given how generally unwelcome I am, I think what I'm going to
do is resubscribe, but simply refrain from posting anything that isn't a
specific question or a specific answer. You know, talk like a machine.
People generally don't get mad at machines. (Except when they break...)
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>> Indeed. And in fact, the discussion was not even *about* folds, so the
>> error was entirely incidental and didn't in any way alter the point I was
>> actually making, but still...
>
> Hey, yeah, well... But did you correct the mistake afterwards on the
> list and explain?
Didn't seem worth it. To be honest, I'm tired of getting flamed every
single damn time I speak...
>>> Well, there you go. That was nice of him/her.
>> Yeah. And unprovoked... (He said that me and some other guy where the
>> people who's opinions he most respected. Interesting...)
>
> Maybe he's the same as you, and learnt Haskell the hard way as you did.
I think the majority of people there have... Apart from the university
professors, anyway.
>> I guess it's just that I sit here all alone all day with nobody to talk
>> to, and even on *this* forum I can't discuss Haskell (because nobody knows
>> WTF I'm talking about nor actually gives a damn anyway). There's a lot of
>> very intelligent people on the Haskell mailing list, but clearly people
>> like me aren't welcome. And that really quite upsets me...
>
> Don't be silly, I'm interested. I'd love to learn some kind of language,
> and from all of your descriptions and posts about Haskell, it would probably
> be my first choice, (apart from maybe LUA because I've already learnt a
> 'small' part of that from editing my own level with Sandbox1<Farcry Game
> Editor>).
Well, I've posted about Haskell before, but I think those all expired
now. I can put something up on one of the off-topic lists for ya if
you'd like...? (Including how to set up an environment to play with.)
> Anyway, when the HELL are you going to do *something* with *your* life
> Andrew! Are you going to be here in 2010 still moaning, or are you going to
> take the bull by the horns and actually DO something that we can be proud of
> at that time? Jeez mate, I can bet that a LOT of us here in these groups
> have gone through getting our lives sorted out, but the weird thing is, I
> bet none of us were *told* to do it - we just DID it because we had to.
>
> It's called... Life. (Which I feel you know absolutely nothing about).
Yeah, well, that's just it, isn't it?
We've had this conversation plenty of times before. It keeps coming back
to the fact that I have no clue what TO do. Because I have no prior
experience to draw on. And - judging by the number of times it's been
discussed - nobody can explain it to me either. Maybe it's something
that can't be expressed in words, I don't know...
Anyway, I'm struggling along as best I know how. It's just not getting
me very far. :-S
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Orchid XP v7 wrote:
>> It's called... Life. (Which I feel you know absolutely nothing
>> about).
>
> Yeah, well, that's just it, isn't it?
>
> We've had this conversation plenty of times before. It keeps coming back
> to the fact that I have no clue what TO do. Because I have no prior
> experience to draw on.
I am sure nobody had any prior experience.
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Orchid XP v7 wrote:
> We've had this conversation plenty of times before. It keeps coming back
> to the fact that I have no clue what TO do. Because I have no prior
> experience to draw on. And - judging by the number of times it's been
> discussed - nobody can explain it to me either. Maybe it's something that
> can't be expressed in words, I don't know...
What to do can mostly be expressed with words, but the understanding of it
mostly can only be achieved though personal experience. You have to live
life to understand it, not listen to other people talk about it (though that
works well as a supplement to living it).
And people here have come with lots of suggestions as to what TO do.
Some of them you say you are too afraid to do. Being afraid of unknown
territory is natural, sometimes you just have to do it anyway. This IS
easier said than done, but we've all had to do it at some point, and come
out stronger in the end.
Some things you don't see the point in, because they're not what you want.
You're at A and want D but you couldn't care less about B and C (and you
can't see how B and C are going to lead to D). Well, sometimes you have to
take small steps at a time. And since you don't seem to know how to get to D
yourself, it might help to listen to the people who have successfully gotten
to D. So, for example, if people say, "Step B would be to practice
conversation with random strangers that you're not really interested in and
who you're probably never going to meet again", well, then perhaps doing it
WILL be a step towards *getting girlfriend* eventually, even though it seems
pointless to you now. You have gotten variations over this advice countless
of times now. Also, you seem to completely refuse that *moving away from
home* will have any effect on *getting girlfriend* whatsoever, even though
you'd had pretty clear advice that it *will* make a difference. And no, it's
not too expensive if you rent.
Also, to some of the suggestions you say, like, "Er, sure. I already did
that." Sometimes you surprise us with the progress you've already done! You
may not feel like you're getting far, but you're certainly going forward.
Rune
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> Maybe he's the same as you, and learnt Haskell the hard way as you did.
Wait, you mean there is actually an easy way to learn haskell ;-) ?
--
Vincent
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"Vincent Le Chevalier" <gal### [at] libertyALLsurfSP AMfr> wrote in
message news:47170514$1@news.povray.org...
>> Maybe he's the same as you, and learnt Haskell the hard way as you
>> did.
>
> Wait, you mean there is actually an easy way to learn haskell ;-) ?
Yes.
Find a guy who already knows Haskell. Kill him and remove his brain. Take
your brain out and put his brain into your head.
(There's a slight trick to doing this without also dying yourself, but still
it's easier.)
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Brian Elliott wrote:
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> Find a guy who already knows Haskell. Kill him and remove his brain.
> Take your brain out and put his brain into your head.
>
In light of the memory-transfer experiments done with planaria back in
the Sixties, I wonder if might be equally effective simply to eat the
removed brain. This eliminates the necessity of removing one's own
brain in order to install the new one, as well as the attendant
necessity of relearning non-Haskell material, such as the names of one's
close relatives. However, it also introduces the possibility of
contracting Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease as a result of the brain-eating
behavior. This risk might be minimized by a casual questioning of the
chosen donor prior to the brain-removal procedure--for example, "Have
you recently experienced episodes of myoclonus, ataxia, or
hallucination?" Regarding preparation of the acquired brain, the
sources I have consulted generally recommend parboiling, slicing, and
stir-frying with chilis, ginger, and some nice spring onions.
--Sherry Shaw
--
#macro T(E,N)sphere{x,.4rotate z*E*60translate y*N pigment{wrinkles scale
.3}finish{ambient 1}}#end#local I=0;#while(I<5)T(I,1)T(1-I,-1)#local I=I+
1;#end camera{location-5*z}plane{z,37 pigment{granite color_map{[.7rgb 0]
[1rgb 1]}}finish{ambient 2}}// TenMoons
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Sherry Shaw wrote:
> In light of the memory-transfer experiments done with planaria back in
> the Sixties, I wonder if might be equally effective simply to eat the
> removed brain. This eliminates the necessity of removing one's own
> brain in order to install the new one, as well as the attendant
> necessity of relearning non-Haskell material, such as the names of one's
> close relatives. However, it also introduces the possibility of
> contracting Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease as a result of the brain-eating
> behavior. This risk might be minimized by a casual questioning of the
> chosen donor prior to the brain-removal procedure--for example, "Have
> you recently experienced episodes of myoclonus, ataxia, or
> hallucination?" Regarding preparation of the acquired brain, the
> sources I have consulted generally recommend parboiling, slicing, and
> stir-frying with chilis, ginger, and some nice spring onions.
...and people say *Haskell* is friggin' weird!! 0_0
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> Orchid XP v7 wrote:
>> Hi guys. I'm back.
>>
>> For a while I've been hanging around the Haskell mailing list. But
>> I've just been flamed yet again (and not by the same person either),
>> so clearly I'm just not wanted there. :-(
>>
>> But hey, you guys still love me, right?
>>
>
>
> This is a long one!
>
Indeed. tl;dr
*marks as read anyway*
*notes still 350 unread in povray.off-topic*
crap.
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