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From: Silverlight2009
Subject: POV-Ray Folder Structure
Date: 17 Sep 2010 06:40:01
Message: <web.4c9344ec4a9b29a886b35a130@news.povray.org>
Hello!

I have the next problem:

I am a Windows 7 64-bit user, and I'd like to install POV-Ray the following way:
I have 2 partitions, C: and D:. C: is the system, operating system, program
files, temporal data, etc. on it. D: is data and everything else. Now, I'd like
to make D:\Documents\POV-Ray to be my POV-Ray working directory, so that include
files, ini files, Insert Menu, scenes installed with POV-Ray and of course, my
own files put into this directory. What can I do for this during installation,
or after it?

Thank You.


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From: clipka
Subject: Re: POV-Ray Folder Structure
Date: 17 Sep 2010 15:49:23
Message: <4c93c643$1@news.povray.org>
Am 17.09.2010 12:37, schrieb Silverlight2009:
> Hello!
>
> I have the next problem:
>
> I am a Windows 7 64-bit user, and I'd like to install POV-Ray the following way:
> I have 2 partitions, C: and D:. C: is the system, operating system, program
> files, temporal data, etc. on it. D: is data and everything else. Now, I'd like
> to make D:\Documents\POV-Ray to be my POV-Ray working directory, so that include
> files, ini files, Insert Menu, scenes installed with POV-Ray and of course, my
> own files put into this directory. What can I do for this during installation,
> or after it?

... or even before it?

You could for instance move your user directory ("My Documents") to 
D:\Documents before installing POV-Ray -- and keep it there for all 
those other programs that want to have their own subdirectory of "My 
Documents". That should work like a charm.

Not sure how you'd do that in Windows 7 though. On XP you'd do a 
right-click on "My Documents", choose "Properties", and then "Move to...".


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From: Silverlight2009
Subject: Re: POV-Ray Folder Structure
Date: 22 Sep 2010 11:45:02
Message: <web.4c9a241ad82cb6b61054e8820@news.povray.org>
clipka <ano### [at] anonymousorg> wrote:
> Am 17.09.2010 12:37, schrieb Silverlight2009:
> > Hello!
> >
> > I have the next problem:
> >
> > I am a Windows 7 64-bit user, and I'd like to install POV-Ray the following way:
> > I have 2 partitions, C: and D:. C: is the system, operating system, program
> > files, temporal data, etc. on it. D: is data and everything else. Now, I'd like
> > to make D:\Documents\POV-Ray to be my POV-Ray working directory, so that include
> > files, ini files, Insert Menu, scenes installed with POV-Ray and of course, my
> > own files put into this directory. What can I do for this during installation,
> > or after it?
>
> ... or even before it?
>
> You could for instance move your user directory ("My Documents") to
> D:\Documents before installing POV-Ray -- and keep it there for all
> those other programs that want to have their own subdirectory of "My
> Documents". That should work like a charm.
>
> Not sure how you'd do that in Windows 7 though. On XP you'd do a
> right-click on "My Documents", choose "Properties", and then "Move to...".

Thanks for the help. The problem is, that in Windows 7, there exist no such
thing that "My Documents". Anyway, it would be very useful for me, if I would
know, how POV-Ray installer acquires information about this, like an
environmental variable or something. I installed it in the regular fashion, and
now I'm unaable to change the rendering resolution, too.


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From: Silverlight2009
Subject: Re: POV-Ray Folder Structure
Date: 23 Sep 2010 12:30:01
Message: <web.4c9b7fa0d82cb6b6daab71a40@news.povray.org>
Can someone  help me, please?


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From: Christian Froeschlin
Subject: Re: POV-Ray Folder Structure
Date: 23 Sep 2010 13:15:58
Message: <4c9b8b4e@news.povray.org>
To change the user profile location under Windows 7, look here:

http://www.windows7hacker.com/index.php/2009/05/how-to-change-user-profile-default-location-in-windows-7/

However, this is a somewhat dangerous procedure and I wouldn't
recommend it unless you really know what your are doing. I'm also
not sure it solves your actual problem.

Regarding your problem of not being able to store the settings.
This shouldn't be the case, I had no such problem on 64 bit Win7.

How did you install POV-Ray? If you use the default settings,
you should install using the same account you later use to start
POV-Ray, not as administrator.

Do you find the program files under C:\Users?
Do you find the examples and ini files under C:\Users?
If you right-click on *.ini files and select properties,
which users have write access? Are they read-only?


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From: Silverlight2009
Subject: Re: POV-Ray Folder Structure
Date: 24 Sep 2010 02:25:00
Message: <web.4c9c43b8d82cb6b63b79bb410@news.povray.org>
Christian Froeschlin <chr### [at] chrfrde> wrote:
> To change the user profile location under Windows 7, look here:
>
>
http://www.windows7hacker.com/index.php/2009/05/how-to-change-user-profile-default-location-in-windows-7/
>
> However, this is a somewhat dangerous procedure and I wouldn't
> recommend it unless you really know what your are doing. I'm also
> not sure it solves your actual problem.
>
> Regarding your problem of not being able to store the settings.
> This shouldn't be the case, I had no such problem on 64 bit Win7.
>
> How did you install POV-Ray? If you use the default settings,
> you should install using the same account you later use to start
> POV-Ray, not as administrator.
>
> Do you find the program files under C:\Users?
> Do you find the examples and ini files under C:\Users?
> If you right-click on *.ini files and select properties,
> which users have write access? Are they read-only?



First of all, when I double click the installer, it doesn't ask me for privilege
elevation, ie. there is no UAC user massage, so the couldn't have access to the
Program Files folder.
The program files are in the C:\Users\%My Username%\AppData\Roaming\POV-Ray.
The examples and ini files are in the C:\Users\%My Username%\Documents\POV-Ray.
My User account has the appropriate privileges. The only problem is now, why
POV-Ray doesn't installes in the Program Files directory, and why example files
aren't on the D:.


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From: Christian Froeschlin
Subject: Re: POV-Ray Folder Structure
Date: 24 Sep 2010 04:14:41
Message: <4c9c5df1$1@news.povray.org>
> First of all, when I double click the installer, it doesn't ask me for privilege
> elevation, ie. there is no UAC user massage, so the couldn't have access to the
> Program Files folder.

The installer doesn't request elevation because it is intended
to support user level installs into the user profile.

> The program files are in the C:\Users\%My Username%\AppData\Roaming\POV-Ray.
> The examples and ini files are in the C:\Users\%My Username%\Documents\POV-Ray.

This looks reasonable for the default installation type.
What kind of problems do you experience with the saving of
settings? Do you get error messages?

> My User account has the appropriate privileges. The only problem is now, why
> POV-Ray doesn't installes in the Program Files directory, and why example files
> aren't on the D:.

To install into program files you need to explicitely run
the process with elevation, and then, select the non-default
install location. Unfortunately, the installer is provided
as an msi package only, not an exe, so it will not offer a
"Run As Administrator" context menu entry on most systems.

To start it with elevation, open a command shell from
accessories with "Run As Administrator", change to the
directory containing the msi package (cd) and type

msiexec /i POV-Ray for Windows v3.7 beta 39.msi

Example and configuration will always be installed under
user documents so they can be modified without elevation.

Note: If your administrator account is different from
your user account (as opposed to just elevating the
account you usually work with), this will not work.
You will then need to do a user-level install.

If you generally wish to have user documents on D: you
need to change the user document location as per link
from my last post.


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From: Alain
Subject: Re: POV-Ray Folder Structure
Date: 24 Sep 2010 13:56:14
Message: <4c9ce63e@news.povray.org>


>
> First of all, when I double click the installer, it doesn't ask me for privilege
> elevation, ie. there is no UAC user massage, so the couldn't have access to the
> Program Files folder.
> The program files are in the C:\Users\%My Username%\AppData\Roaming\POV-Ray.
> The examples and ini files are in the C:\Users\%My Username%\Documents\POV-Ray.
> My User account has the appropriate privileges. The only problem is now, why
> POV-Ray doesn't installes in the Program Files directory, and why example files
> aren't on the D:.
>
>

Starting with Vista, you can ONLY install to program files as an 
administrator.
When you do a normal install, you are NOT treated as an administrator 
and don't have administrator privileges.
This means that it's IMPOSSIBLE to install into the program files 
folder. In fact, it's impossible to write, change or delete any file 
situated in that folder unless you have escalated your privileges to 
administrator.

It's an OS limitation.



Alain


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