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Hi!!!
I'm trying to learn how to use blender... I have used Moray, Wings, Pov (of
course), even 3ds for a while... and my first impression is that it is not easy
to use... at first the interface is a bit confusing...
Well, the question is, is there an enough big community of Blender-Pov users to
open a thread on Blender here? I have seen forums on Blender, and I dont like
them very much (I prefer this one, jajaja).
Well, if not, can you recommend a good forum on Blender?
Thanks in advance
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On Mon, 02 Jun 2008 05:13:00 -0400, kike wrote:
> Hi!!!
>
> I'm trying to learn how to use blender... I have used Moray, Wings, Pov
> (of course), even 3ds for a while... and my first impression is that it
> is not easy to use... at first the interface is a bit confusing...
>
> Well, the question is, is there an enough big community of Blender-Pov
> users to open a thread on Blender here? I have seen forums on Blender,
> and I dont like them very much (I prefer this one, jajaja).
>
> Well, if not, can you recommend a good forum on Blender?
>
> Thanks in advance
Have you looked at http://blenderartists.org/forum/ ?
Particularly Basics & Interface at
http://blenderartists.org/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=13
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kike wrote:
> Hi!!!
>
> I'm trying to learn how to use blender... I have used Moray, Wings, Pov (of
> course), even 3ds for a while... and my first impression is that it is not easy
> to use... at first the interface is a bit confusing...
kike,
Asking questions about Blender here won't get you very far, unless you
want to know about converting to POV-Ray. Grab PoseRay if you haven't
already:
http://mysite.verizon.net/sfg0000/
In Blender, export your file as *.3ds, load it into PoseRay and export
to POV. Easy peasy!
One thing to keep in mind when learning how to use Blender, is that many
of the commands can (and must) be accessed through keystrokes. Learn the
keystrokes, and you'll find it's a very useful program. Here's a hint:
try pressing CTRL and/or SHIFT and/or ALT while moving the middle mouse
wheel in 3d mode. You can navigate the scene more easily this way.
Good luck!
Sam
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kike wrote:
> Hi!!!
>
> I'm trying to learn how to use blender... I have used Moray, Wings, Pov (of
> course), even 3ds for a while... and my first impression is that it is not easy
> to use... at first the interface is a bit confusing...
>
> Well, the question is, is there an enough big community of Blender-Pov users to
> open a thread on Blender here? I have seen forums on Blender, and I dont like
> them very much (I prefer this one, jajaja).
>
> Well, if not, can you recommend a good forum on Blender?
>
> Thanks in advance
>
>
Stick with Wings... Blender has a very steep learning curve (I've been
using it for a few years now and still don't understand it all...) And
besides, Wings has fairly decent POVray support/exporting capabilities...
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In article <4846a690$1@news.povray.org>, jho### [at] northrim net says...
> kike wrote:
> > Hi!!!
> >
> > I'm trying to learn how to use blender... I have used Moray, Wings, Pov
(of
> > course), even 3ds for a while... and my first impression is that it is
not easy
> > to use... at first the interface is a bit confusing...
> >
> > Well, the question is, is there an enough big community of Blender-Pov
users to
> > open a thread on Blender here? I have seen forums on Blender, and I don
t like
> > them very much (I prefer this one, jajaja).
> >
> > Well, if not, can you recommend a good forum on Blender?
> >
> > Thanks in advance
> >
> >
> Stick with Wings... Blender has a very steep learning curve (I've been
> using it for a few years now and still don't understand it all...) And
> besides, Wings has fairly decent POVray support/exporting capabilities...
>
Yeah. Been fiddling with Second Life and both Wings and Blender have
"support" for the displacement map feature they call Sculpties. Some
stuff about Wings bugs the hell out of me, not the least being that you
can't arbitrarily rotate your view, but have to rely on "aim at", which
doesn't always work as you want, and "auto-rotate" to control how you
are looking at something like a cylinder, while trying to edit a path
around its circumference. But, Blender is complicated, confusing and
trying to follow a simple tutorial on using it to do the same thing led
me to not have a damn clue "which" menus I was supposed to be looking
at, what they where really talking about, or actually ever getting the
UV map to appear, so I could save and import it. I gave up and started
looking for something else. lol
I think now, that may have been a mistake, since I have "far" better
control, and more things I can do in blender, not the least being making
materials/images to map to the objects, which Wings.. doesn't quite do
as well.
But, frankly, Wings' problem is that is missing stuff and adjusting
"where" you are looking and working in the main 3D mode is funky and
annoying, while "still" being far easier in general. Blender... has
"design tool disease". Which is to say, its been "designed" to be a
"design tool" by "designers", who have about as much clue about how to
rig a sane and uncomplicated interface for people learning, or just
trying to do things rationally, as a 16th century frigate captain would
have trying to work out how to build a 21st century aircraft carrier.
The over all design probably wouldn't be too bad, but having to use all
the damn ropes and pulleys to run everything aboard the carrier would
just get a tad annoying after a while. ;)
Its imho a common problem with tools made by the people that "use them".
All too often how and why they work a certain way drives everyone else
batty. Want a better example:
http://www.xs4all.nl/~elout/sculptpaint/
This is one of the first "official" tools made to let you make sculpties
in SL... Its a damn nightmare!! You don't paint, the controls for doing
stuff like rocks are not really "controllable", since you can't pick
(that I can find) vertexes or faces to adjust, just do other less
comprehensible things that don't quite produce the result you are trying
for. Changing modes will actually "reset" your work in some cases, what
vertex editing you can do works like a spline-path/lathe object, and it
constantly fight with you if you try/need to place a point "higher"
than, or "equal" to, the same height as another. Took me 10 minutes to
figure out that I would go insane before I got it to work right, and
less than half that time to figure out how to accomplish what I was
attempting in Wings.
Why is it so bad? Because it "wrongly" presumes that you can "make" a
sculpted object using a tool that mimic the behaviour of the objects you
are sculpting, instead of letting you **actually** sculpt. Its function
follows form type thinking, not form follows function. And while it
works, it works badly, the way different elements interact isn't *quite*
what you would predict having used any other tools, and it becomes real
obvious, real fast, why "many" people don't use it any more.
But, got off track. Point is, Blender kind of suffers from this same
issue. Too many *wrong* ways to get to what you think you are supposed
to be doing, a few too many unclear "correct" ways, things that are
"related" not in the same menus, etc., and the result is, its harder to
use that it needs to be. Wings, is simple, clean, and its only "real"
problem is that it may be a bit "too" simple, and clean in same cases
(like the limitations on how to set where you are looking at things more
flexibly in the 3D view).
Best advice, get used to using such programs with it first, then try
Blender. lol
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> Yeah. Been fiddling with Second Life and both Wings and Blender have
> "support" for the displacement map feature they call Sculpties. Some
> stuff about Wings bugs the hell out of me, not the least being that you
> can't arbitrarily rotate your view, but have to rely on "aim at", which
> doesn't always work as you want, and "auto-rotate" to control how you
> are looking at something like a cylinder, while trying to edit a path
> around its circumference.
Just a clarification. Unless I'm misunderstanding, you can can do
arbitrary rotations by pressing the middle mouse button, rotating the
object/scene, and then press the right MB to finish...
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In article <4847f4a2$1@news.povray.org>, jho### [at] northrimnet says...
> > Yeah. Been fiddling with Second Life and both Wings and Blender have
> > "support" for the displacement map feature they call Sculpties. Some
> > stuff about Wings bugs the hell out of me, not the least being that you
> > can't arbitrarily rotate your view, but have to rely on "aim at", which
> > doesn't always work as you want, and "auto-rotate" to control how you
> > are looking at something like a cylinder, while trying to edit a path
> > around its circumference.
>
> Just a clarification. Unless I'm misunderstanding, you can can do
> arbitrary rotations by pressing the middle mouse button, rotating the
> object/scene, and then press the right MB to finish...
>
Hmm. I'll have to try that. Though, on most mice the middle button is
also the "scroll", which makes it damn hard to use for anything...
Thanks for the tip.
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Patrick Elliott napsal(a):
> In article <4847f4a2$1@news.povray.org>, jho### [at] northrimnet says...
>>> Yeah. Been fiddling with Second Life and both Wings and Blender have
>>> "support" for the displacement map feature they call Sculpties. Some
>>> stuff about Wings bugs the hell out of me, not the least being that you
>>> can't arbitrarily rotate your view, but have to rely on "aim at", which
>>> doesn't always work as you want, and "auto-rotate" to control how you
>>> are looking at something like a cylinder, while trying to edit a path
>>> around its circumference.
>> Just a clarification. Unless I'm misunderstanding, you can can do
>> arbitrary rotations by pressing the middle mouse button, rotating the
>> object/scene, and then press the right MB to finish...
>>
> Hmm. I'll have to try that. Though, on most mice the middle button is
> also the "scroll", which makes it damn hard to use for anything...
> Thanks for the tip.
>
I NAK that. I don't have any trouble pressing MMB w/o scrolling.
Scrolling with MMB pressed (not that I ever needed it) is another story,
though :-)
--
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you start thinking up your own "You know you've been raytracing too long
when..." sigs (I did).
-Johnny D
Johnny D
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Patrick Elliott <sel### [at] rraznet> wrote:
> Hmm. I'll have to try that. Though, on most mice the middle button is
> also the "scroll", which makes it damn hard to use for anything...
> Thanks for the tip.
Not convinced you're both talking about the same thing (you can rotate the
camera around objects, right?), but those control settings at least are
configurable.
Edit menu >> Preferences... >> Camera tab, then the Camera mode box changes
which buttons control rotation and how rotation behaves by offering you a
choice of modes taken from other packages.
I use Blender mode (hold down middle mouse and drag to rotate), although I can't
remember if Blender mouse control actually does behave like that. You can see
how the camera responds to the mouse in a particular camera mode by checking
the status bar at the bottom of the display when nothing's selected. For
example, in Maya mode you'll see:
L: Select [Alt]+L: Tumble [Alt]+M: Track [Alt]+R: Dolly R: Show menu
If you want to keep the middle mouse wheel for zoom and don't want to use the
middle mouse button for rotation or whatever, you can set "Mouse buttons" to 2
in the drop-down list on the Camera preferences tab. You'll only be able to use
Blender and Nendo modes with two buttons (Nendo mode is quite unusual compared
to most other 3D apps).
Tom
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In article <web.484832e23e9934c97d55e4a40@news.povray.org>,
alp### [at] zubenelgenubi34spcom says...
> Patrick Elliott <sel### [at] rraznet> wrote:
> > Hmm. I'll have to try that. Though, on most mice the middle button is
> > also the "scroll", which makes it damn hard to use for anything...
> > Thanks for the tip.
>
> Not convinced you're both talking about the same thing (you can rotate th
e
> camera around objects, right?), but those control settings at least are
> configurable.
>
> Edit menu >> Preferences... >> Camera tab, then the Camera mode box chang
es
> which buttons control rotation and how rotation behaves by offering you a
> choice of modes taken from other packages.
>
> I use Blender mode (hold down middle mouse and drag to rotate), although
I can't
> remember if Blender mouse control actually does behave like that. You can
see
> how the camera responds to the mouse in a particular camera mode by check
ing
> the status bar at the bottom of the display when nothing's selected. For
> example, in Maya mode you'll see:
>
> L: Select [Alt]+L: Tumble [Alt]+M: Track [Alt]+R: Dolly R: Show menu
>
> If you want to keep the middle mouse wheel for zoom and don't want to use
the
> middle mouse button for rotation or whatever, you can set "Mouse buttons"
to 2
> in the drop-down list on the Camera preferences tab. You'll only be able
to use
> Blender and Nendo modes with two buttons (Nendo mode is quite unusual com
pared
> to most other 3D apps).
>
> Tom
Found the problem actually. I use a Logitech mouse and automatically set
it up to use middle = double click. Never changes it back to, "just act
as a middle button", after finding how big a pain in the ass trying to
use the mouse wheel was. lol
Sadly, I have discovered that I "hate" the sculpting tool, which is what
I needed to use in it. For simple objects with "roughly" similar
dimensions in all directions, or where you can add more geometry, its
great. For cases where you need to have a "fixed" number of acceptable
vertices, and you can't break them apart to move them around, you kind
of run into a problem... I have "no" clue how some of these people make
one prim fracking dragons with these sorts of tools, unless they
manually edit every single point on the mesh. Using sculpt to just make
a butterfly wing resulted in so many points getting "stretched" past
their usable locations that the view in Blender showed literal holes in
the mesh, and there was no easy way to both a) select the points you
want to move, and b) make the other points "stretch" and "follow", to
form the correct design. I badly wish there was some sort of, "Stretch
object to fit closed polyline" function, or something. So, you know, you
draw the outer edge of the object, then it "fits" the selected line
around the sphere, etc., to the polyline. Silly sort of time savers like
that, for those of is without infinite patience and any clue. lol
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