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Ron Parker wrote:
> There was one. It wasn't received very well, then got pulled for technical
> reasons, and hasn't resurfaced. Be careful what you ask for, you might get it.
Actually glad it was *technical* reasons and not the fussy complainers on c.g.r.r.
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Twyst wrote:
> > Exactly what would the purpose of the gallery be? Would it be for all
> > POV-Ray users or restricted? Would it simply be a show-off gallery or
> should
> > it serve another purpose too? How much control would users have over how
> the
> > images are presented (with regard to comments about the images and so on)?
> >
>
> Well, I think it should be an open gallery, for showing off , with comments
> , and possible ratings - something like www.ratemypicture.com - this way
> people can get feedback, etc. One of the things I'll incorporate is a way to
> 'update' an image, so as the image progresses, people can see it. The nice
> thing about doing web-based, as opposed to p.b.i, is that people just
> randomly surfing by will go "oooh, pretty pictures, how can I make them?"
>
> Note: At the time I wrote the original message, I didn't know about the
> 10best project.
I remember that your site was technically sharp--both very professional looking
and with lots of good ways to find the information. I think I have a pretty
good idea for this whole project, and the structure for how the CD should be
laid out. But I've never been known for the looks of my web pages. One
possibility once the images are all collected is for me to write the spec--be
your customer as it were-- and you deliver html pages which can be put on the CD
for sale.
Just an idear......
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If I remember correctly, all that was 'redesigned' in that makeover were the
colours on the site and the layout of the main page, as well as some font changes
(correct me if I'm wrong!). I think a real redesign would involve new 'user
gallery' page, new 'hall of fame', new 'resources', 'questions', etc. I mean
updating that stuff that hasn't changed, adding new stuff that would be useful, and
making the whole site more usable.
These days the only areas I ever visit are the 'newsgroups' page (which
surprisingly isn't even linked from the main page) and the excellent links
collection.
Andrew C
Ron Parker wrote:
> On Thu, 26 Oct 2000 15:36:21 -0700, Andrew Clinton wrote:
> >In the whole 3+ years I have been using pov-ray, I have not seen any major
> >redesign of the pov-ray web site which I believe it desperately needs.
>
> There was one. It wasn't received very well, then got pulled for technical
> reasons, and hasn't resurfaced. Be careful what you ask for, you might get it.
>
> --
> Ron Parker http://www2.fwi.com/~parkerr/traces.html
> My opinions. Mine. Not anyone else's.
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Heh, well, I'm not all that great with graphics - I'm more of a web
'engineer' than I am an artist. But heck, anything is possible. I like node
systems - each node has several items and sub-nodes. (I prefer node to
category - it's more descriptive).
But if you're looking for a low-bandwidth, crisp sitelook, yea, I can help
you. =D
Twyst.
"Greg M. Johnson" <gre### [at] my-dejanews com> wrote in message
news:39F89EE9.B8DD8B8E@my-dejanews.com...
> Twyst wrote:
>
> > > Exactly what would the purpose of the gallery be? Would it be for all
> > > POV-Ray users or restricted? Would it simply be a show-off gallery or
> > should
> > > it serve another purpose too? How much control would users have over
how
> > the
> > > images are presented (with regard to comments about the images and so
on)?
> > >
> >
> > Well, I think it should be an open gallery, for showing off , with
comments
> > , and possible ratings - something like www.ratemypicture.com - this way
> > people can get feedback, etc. One of the things I'll incorporate is a
way to
> > 'update' an image, so as the image progresses, people can see it. The
nice
> > thing about doing web-based, as opposed to p.b.i, is that people just
> > randomly surfing by will go "oooh, pretty pictures, how can I make
them?"
> >
> > Note: At the time I wrote the original message, I didn't know about the
> > 10best project.
>
> I remember that your site was technically sharp--both very professional
looking
> and with lots of good ways to find the information. I think I have a
pretty
> good idea for this whole project, and the structure for how the CD should
be
> laid out. But I've never been known for the looks of my web pages. One
> possibility once the images are all collected is for me to write the
spec--be
> your customer as it were-- and you deliver html pages which can be put on
the CD
> for sale.
>
> Just an idear......
>
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Well, my idea is to have user-contributed news/stuff. - I don't think that
forcing people to 'login' to submit stuff is a good plan, either. But I also
believe in moderation - Users submit news, it goes into a verification
queue, and the editors check it over, then approve it.
As for the 'predefined mask' - the system I have planned allows you to be
very freeform - There's no constraint on how many steps you use, or if you
must use an image, or even how big a step is.
The problem with not having a defined layout is abuse. If I allow, for
example, someone to simply type in their HTML page (which is a daunting task
for many) there is the inevitable chance that someone will abuse the system,
either for their amusement ('First-Post' syndrome, like slashdot suffers
from), or for personal gain (ie. link in a bunch of porn banners, or
something)
Basically, I want to make it so that anyone can submit an item - article,
tutorial, image, whatever - and then an editor reviews it and either
approves or disapproves of it.
Twyst
"Christoph Hormann" <Chr### [at] schunteretctu-bsde> wrote in
message news:39F87D96.261C080C@schunter.etc.tu-bs.de...
>
>
> A common layout and structure for tutorials, code, gallery etc. definitely
has
> it's advantages, but i doubt it everyone would be content with it. For
example
> i would not like to be forced to press a tutorial i write into a
predefined
> mask.
>
> On the other hand a site covering a lot of things concerning povray would
be
> good especially for new users and people 'accidently' jumping in.
>
> In any case i would prefer a more open concept without fixed rules for
> everything. What seems most important to me is to show the individual
ideas and
> opinions of many different people (that's for example what makes things
like
> DMOZ better than commercial web directories IMO)
>
> Christoph
>
> --
> Christoph Hormann <chr### [at] gmxde>
> Homepage: http://www.schunter.etc.tu-bs.de/~chris/
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All sounds like good stuff but:
Most of it sounds like a duplication of effort with both current and
proposed projects.
Maybe it'd be better to offer your services towards helping in
renovating www.povray.org which will include many of the features
that you talk about, but has the added advantage of working with
a team so the whole thing doesn't rely on you - which is why all
the progejcts of a similar nature in the past have
failed/dissapeared because there's so much content to bring
together and once up and running needs a considerable amount of
maintenance no matter how much you automate the processes.
Certain aspects of the current POV site need fixing and
revamping, for example the software reviews link doesn't
work, the user galleries page hasn't changed in over a
year I wonder how many of those links are still live?
And the texture library though fairly comprehensive is very
monotonous, look through it for five minutes and you start
to fall asleep.
Of course the jewel in the crown of www.povray.org has to be
the new links section maintainte by our very own Uncle Ken.
And when it comes to forums/chat, there's nothing better than
these news groups. If someone's behind a firewall it's because
they're at work and probably shouldn't be reading these NGs
anyway, and if they need to as part of their job they can go to
the sys admin and get that access given to them. Also I'm
always against anything that requires a person to be on line
for long periods of time, here in Europ we pay dearly for our
time on-line (through phone charges).
Didn't you used to maintain the patch station, now that's something
that would be very useful.
--
Cheers
Steve email mailto:ste### [at] zeroppsuklinuxnet
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or http://start.at/zero-pps
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> Here's the thought - http://povray-central.net - Somewhat like the
> twysted.net of old, but much, much better.
Welcome back! If povray.org was improved, it could be a central web site for
POV-Ray.
Brendan
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> If I remember correctly, all that was 'redesigned' in that makeover were the
> colours on the site and the layout of the main page, as well as some font changes
> (correct me if I'm wrong!). I think a real redesign would involve new 'user
Not correct. The entire back-end was radically altered from a static HTML basis
to being almost completely dynamically-generated (using mod_perl, templates, and
data files). This included things such as the hall of fame etc, which would have
been MUCH easier to maintain.
So while it may have looked similar from the viewers perspective, nothing could
be further from the truth.
However, all this took more memory, and the new memory we added to the machine
was causing it to crash so it had to be yanked. We only recently (about three
weeks ago) got this put back (different brand of RAM, no more crashes).
That aside, I will not bring the new design back since it had problems with 256
color mode and too many people bitched about it. It will have to wait until I have
some free time to correct the colors. I am also considering (nothing concrete yet)
adding slashcode or some other news-type setup to the site. The server is already
equipped with everything it needs for this (apart from a time machine so I can
stuff 36 hours into a single day).
-- Chris
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> That aside, I will not bring the new design back since it had problems
with 256
> color mode and too many people bitched about it. It will have to wait
until I have
> some free time to correct the colors. I am also considering (nothing
concrete yet)
> adding slashcode or some other news-type setup to the site. The server is
already
> equipped with everything it needs for this (apart from a time machine so I
can
> stuff 36 hours into a single day).
>
> -- Chris
>
>
Might I recommend using PHPweblog? I much prefer PHP for webstuff than perl,
since it's faster, and uses less memory, especially if compiled into apache.
That's what I use (heavily modified, though) for http://anime-central.net.
The URL for PHPweblog is http://phpweblog.org
One of the nicest features of phpweblog is that it uses templates, and can
be changed on the fly, and it's relatively easy to add a new feature into
the system (like what I've been doing) and have it use the templates too.
Twyst
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let's see...
how about a contest for some site logo or something?
anyways...
about that slashdot similar thingie...
slashdot has support for special programs and script for like, mIRC and
stuff...
meaning it's possible to grab headlines directly from an updated database or
something...
as for the gallery... look at litestep.net
they have a commenting system, and a login thingie...
wouldnt that be great?
Zilvah
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