On Sat, 24 Jul 1999 20:38:06 -0500, Bob Hughes <inv### [at] aolcom>
wrote:

>Hey, Margus, you've not lived until you watch a year of Dr. Who shows. I
>was always tuning in to see the next episode as the Tardis (time machine
>disguised as a English phone booth) went galavanting about the universe
>and landing in more trouble. It was quite some time before I knew of the
>other Dr. Who's (the main character actor changed over time) as I
>recall. That was back in the early 80's when I saw the TV show on a
>Public Broadcasting Station in Seattle. For those not in the know about
>it the series was beyond sci-fi lameness I thought, so much so it was
>intriguing. Simply great to sit and watch and let the mind rest. That's
>my opinion of it anyway.
>
>
Thanks Bob - nice to hear an opinion from neither side of fanaticism
(Who usually gets praised too far or slagged too far). I'm guessing
the doctor you saw was Tom Baker - all teeth and curls with a scarf
that'd defy 3D modelling. Sadly some of the earlier stories have been
lost (and/or destroyed) by the BBC but we live in hope... sometimes
"lost" stories have been found...

Anyone checked their basements or lofts lately?


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Cliff Bowman wrote:

> Erm... looking for something on topic. Oh yeah. Some of the online
> fandom even tinker around with POV to re-create some of the aspects of
> the show. They might even re-create lost episodes and new fan stories
> if they ever get their seats in gear :)
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Cliff Bowman
> Why not pay my 3D Dr Who site a visit at http://www.who3d.cwc.net/
> PS change ".duffcom" to ".net" if replying via e-mail

What was the basic premise of the show ? Star Trek was to explore new worlds,
new civilazations, and to boldly go where no man had gone before.

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Yes, Tom Baker was (is?) the guy who seemed to fit the entire theme so
well or so I thought. I saw many a show though having a couple other
guys instead, one short and dark-haired (I always thought of Moe from
the 3 Stooges when I saw him) and a tall thin older gentleman with blond
hair. Can't recall any others if there were any. I'd say I saw a total
of three seasons worth altogether I guess. I didn't know it was as long
running a program as you had said.
Anywho (ha), that's terrible if there are "missing" episodes (my
fanatical side showing through). Wouldn't doubt there are video taped
ones out there, but if it went as far back as all that, not so likely.
And on topic again myself, the phone booth Tardis would be great to
raytrace. Or maybe K-9. But really on topic would be a Dr. Who <g>


Cliff Bowman wrote:
> 
> Thanks Bob - nice to hear an opinion from neither side of fanaticism
> (Who usually gets praised too far or slagged too far). I'm guessing
> the doctor you saw was Tom Baker - all teeth and curls with a scarf
> that'd defy 3D modelling. Sadly some of the earlier stories have been
> lost (and/or destroyed) by the BBC but we live in hope... sometimes
> "lost" stories have been found...
> 
> Anyone checked their basements or lofts lately?
>

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'T was on Sun, 25 Jul 1999 10:11:25 -0700,
that Ken said:
> What was the basic premise of the show ? Star Trek was to explore new worlds,
> new civilazations, and to boldly go where no man had gone before.

It's been a *long* time since I saw an episode (we're talking over 14 
years here), but Dr. Who was a Time Lord, and was generally fixing stuff 
in past, present and future...

Phoenix

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Ken wrote:
>What was the basic premise of the show ? Star Trek was to explore 
>new worlds, new civilazations, and to boldly go where no man had 
>gone before.

Wow, something I can actually answer. This opportunity might 
never present itself again <vbg>. Well, let's see, as I recall,
the first Doctor, member of an race calling themselves the Time 
Lords wanted his granddaughter to receive her preliminary 
education on Earth (the reason was never clear to me, but in 
later episodes it was hinted the Doctor had part Terran ancestry).
The Time Lords of course absolutely forbade it, and the Doctor 
wasn't much of one to give a damn what they did or didn't allow 
so he er, "borrowed" a TARDIS and took her to an old point in 
Earth history (which just happened to be the"modern" era when the 
story began, of course). Now a TARDIS, being the apex of Time 
Lord technology it presumably wasn't easy to swipe one, and the 
Doctor got around this by stealing an antiquated bucket of junk 
(but don't tell HIM that! He's fond of the "old girl") that could 
just about *barely* navigate timespace correctly.  For the first 
several seasons, it was pretty much about getting the balky TARDIS 
to take them where/when they wanted to be, but eventually the 
Doctor (who changed companions every couple seasons or so) turned 
into more or less a wandering exile/adventurer, facing off against 
numerous minor, and a couple major arch-enemies (The Master, 
the Daleks, etc). 

Let's see. On topic... on topic... er, Oh yes, and the business 
about several different Doctors was attributable to the fact that 
Time Lords (what was it? up to 12 times?) could "regenerate" when 
fatally injured. In essence, their own bodies (through a mechanism 
that was never fully explained) invoked a major overhaul of their 
DNA physically transforming them while repairing the damage. (which
was a handy plot device that meant a new actor could be selected to 
carry on the role<g>)...and, er... body parts being regenerated 
would be challenging to raytrace? Oh well, I tried.


Charles
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I used to love that show as a kid, but I barely remember it now.
I just remember--I guess it was Tom Baker--The Doctor, K9 and
the opening credits with the tunnel.
You had to catch it on PBS, I think they still run some reruns.
Hmm? I'll have to keep an eye open...

>As a series Dr Who varied wildly. The series was based around good,
>interesting scripts. Sometimes the direction was good, the acting, the
>music.

I never really did figure out what the show was about, maybe that's 
why I kept watching.

>The BBC seem to be currently
>considering a second Dr Who movie after the 1995 TV Movie acheived
>insufficient viewing figures in the states (did well over here
>though). 

I think if the BBC wants to get Americans into Doctor Who They'll have
to get someone like John Malkovich to play the Doctor.
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On Sun, 25 Jul 1999 12:24:02 -0500, Bob Hughes <inv### [at] aolcom>
wrote:

>Yes, Tom Baker was (is?) the guy who seemed to fit the entire theme so
>well or so I thought. I saw many a show though having a couple other
>guys instead, one short and dark-haired (I always thought of Moe from
>the 3 Stooges when I saw him)

That's be Pat Troughton - who you may recall better as a preist in one
of the Omen films.

> and a tall thin older gentleman with blond
>hair.

Blonde.. almost certainly Peter Davison (who took up the role after
Tom Baker). No idea what of his has been exported - All Creatures
Grunt and Smell?

> Can't recall any others if there were any. I'd say I saw a total
>of three seasons worth altogether I guess. I didn't know it was as long
>running a program as you had said.

There were 7 main "incarnations" on TV, with Peter Cushing doubling up
as the first Doctor for 2 fairly dire movies.

>Anywho (ha), that's terrible if there are "missing" episodes (my
>fanatical side showing through). Wouldn't doubt there are video taped
>ones out there, but if it went as far back as all that, not so likely.

You'd be surprised - the discovery of some episodes has to lead to
revised opinion of how quickly home recording started "taking off".
Only last year an additional episode was found (although not a home
recording) - it seems every time we give up and think "Oh, there'll
always be 110 episodes missing" along comes another and makes it 109
(the current status, IIRC)

>And on topic again myself, the phone booth Tardis would be great to
>raytrace. Or maybe K-9. But really on topic would be a Dr. Who <g>
>

Well, I've done a TARDIS (although Superpatch hates it so I really
ought to find my design flaw) and I'm working on Doctors... one of my
main interests in Poser, in fact :)

Of course - if anyone feels like showing me by example how to do
characters/objects from Doctor Who *please* don't let me stop you!


Cheers,

Cliff Bowman
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On Sun, 25 Jul 1999 15:18:54 -0400, Charles <cfu### [at] enternet> wrote:

>Ken wrote:
>>What was the basic premise of the show ? Star Trek was to explore 
>>new worlds, new civilazations, and to boldly go where no man had 
>>gone before.
>
>Wow, something I can actually answer. This opportunity might 
>never present itself again <vbg>. Well, let's see, as I recall,


AS YOU RECALL? Considering how close to spot-on that was, even
considering the books and TV movie released after the show... how many
days is it since you watched an episode?

Feeling even more at home here than Ken et al have made me feel by
helping me out with my little projects,


Cheers,

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On Sun, 25 Jul 1999 10:11:25 -0700, Ken <tyl### [at] pacbellnet> wrote:

>
>
>Cliff Bowman wrote:
>
>> Erm... looking for something on topic. Oh yeah. Some of the online
>> fandom even tinker around with POV to re-create some of the aspects of
>> the show. They might even re-create lost episodes and new fan stories
>> if they ever get their seats in gear :)
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Cliff Bowman
>> Why not pay my 3D Dr Who site a visit at http://www.who3d.cwc.net/
>> PS change ".duffcom" to ".net" if replying via e-mail
>
>What was the basic premise of the show ? Star Trek was to explore new worlds,
>new civilazations, and to boldly go where no man had gone before.
>
I'll try to answer as succinctly (although this will be someaht short
of comprehensive). Overall the show was about an ancient humanoid with
12 "regenrations" (lives, in effect) who was mostly a well-intentioned
hobo travelling through time and space. A LOT of stuff from Who shows
up in other SF/Fantasy shows, for a couple of reasons. One is that Who
"borrowed" from earlier literature/films much as newer shows do - and
one is that Who is a show that has been repeatedly "borrowed" from.

BTW, don't ask a Who fan where the Borg come from. If you do and they
mention "Cybermen" nod sagely and back off slowly <eg>


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On Sun, 25 Jul 1999 23:55:10 -0400, Phil Clute <pcl### [at] tiacnet>
wrote:

>
>I used to love that show as a kid, but I barely remember it now.
>I just remember--I guess it was Tom Baker--The Doctor, K9 and
>the opening credits with the tunnel.
>You had to catch it on PBS, I think they still run some reruns.
>Hmm? I'll have to keep an eye open...
>
>>As a series Dr Who varied wildly. The series was based around good,
>>interesting scripts. Sometimes the direction was good, the acting, the
>>music.
>
>I never really did figure out what the show was about, maybe that's 
>why I kept watching.

Even now, X years worth of books later (the books carrying off where
the TV series ended) and despite numerous "revelations" we still don't
actually know a great deal about The Doctor, or his motivations beyond
"being a reluctant hero" (or sometimes not so reluctant).

>>The BBC seem to be currently
>>considering a second Dr Who movie after the 1995 TV Movie acheived
>>insufficient viewing figures in the states (did well over here
>>though). 
>
>I think if the BBC wants to get Americans into Doctor Who They'll have
>to get someone like John Malkovich to play the Doctor.
>-- 
I don't think the BBC want to appeal to Americans so much as they want
American money. Last I heard however, American fandom was still going
despite 10 years of no show. There's even about 10,000 of them buy the
books each month...

Figures subject to wild inaccuracies (numbers not being my forte - but
should be about right).

Now if we could get half of them working in POV...


Cheers,

Cliff Bowman
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