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With some horror I followed the news that Geocities and other "free" web
space providers are going to "steal" the intellectual property of their
users. I guess for many this is not a acceptable state (for me it would
not).
During the last advertising of the IRTC CD-ROM by Chris Cason Greg M.
Johnson suggested a very good idea (my opinion). He asked if it would be
also helping povray.org if the povray users would place their homepages
on povray.org and allowed some advertising. Chris seemed to be
interested but no response came!
How about moving your Geocities homepage to povray.org and help to
support it while denying Geocities and Tripod etc. to steal your work?
I guess some advertisers from the graphics and software industry could
be interested.
Would this be OK for povray.org?
Would this be OK for you?
Any response?
Is this nonsense?
Marc
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Marc Schimmler
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Marc Schimmler wrote:
>...
> Any response?
Yes, mine!
> Is this nonsense?
No, what Yahoo does, is nonsense. I think that it is good idea. I wanted
to redo my web site in geocity, but now I'll drop it completely. If
PovRay gods provide me possibility to use their web space, then I'll be
glad to expose my work there.
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Marc Schimmler <sch### [at] ica uni-stuttgartde> wrote in message
news:377A2FBB.137DD7DB@ica.uni-stuttgart.de...
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> Any response?
> Is this nonsense?
No!. In fact, is an excellent trend. I used to have webpages in both tripod
and geocities, but I retired from both due to the annoying pop-ups and
unwanted e-mails, besides a poor community services. Although I now have a
website with a .com tail, it is not commercial and I am able to keep only
the links I want. Many serious organizations are able to combine
advertisement and content qithout losing a strong community sense and
service. I am sure that the people at POV would maintain the proper balance.
They have proven to be not good, but best.
Marjorie
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Well I think it's a great idea if the admins are willing to help out with
the venture... let's wait and see what Mr Cason has to say on the matter
shall we? (he's probably asleep right now... it is 1:50 am here)
Meanwhile I suggest everyone move their sites off GeoCities temporarily back
to their harddrives (I assume you all have copies anyway right?).
GOOD LUCK AND KEEP ON TRACING! :)
--
Lance.
---
For the latest 3D Studio MAX plug-ins, images and much more, go to:
The Zone - http://come.to/the.zone
For a totally different experience, visit my Chroma Key Website:
Colorblind - http://listen.to/colorblind
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Just in case Chris reads this! (I'm sure he will) I think this is an
excellent idea!
Mick
Lance Birch <lan### [at] usanet> wrote in message
news:377a3d40@news.povray.org...
> Well I think it's a great idea if the admins are willing to help out with
> the venture... let's wait and see what Mr Cason has to say on the matter
> shall we? (he's probably asleep right now... it is 1:50 am here)
>
> Meanwhile I suggest everyone move their sites off GeoCities temporarily
back
> to their harddrives (I assume you all have copies anyway right?).
>
> GOOD LUCK AND KEEP ON TRACING! :)
>
> --
> Lance.
>
>
> ---
> For the latest 3D Studio MAX plug-ins, images and much more, go to:
> The Zone - http://come.to/the.zone
> For a totally different experience, visit my Chroma Key Website:
> Colorblind - http://listen.to/colorblind
>
>
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I'll have to toss in my 2 pennies worth and agree. Realizing that a
billion-dollar corporation and all it's sucklings would have the audacity to
legally acquire the works of others "for free" and devise a way to further
expand their capital gains is sickening. Okay, I'm sure that there will be
those who agree that that is the way of business, and I can't argue that.
So, here is my logic: Povray was given freely, supported freely, with all
work being freely righted to the creator of the image; if anyone is to gain
marketedly from the works of POV artists (if not the artists themselves)
then it should be the creators and administrators of this software and
sub-community. It has been my experience that the foundation of artists and
experimentors using POV is one of rendering-for-the-sake-of-rendering with
the interest of material surplus being minimal to non-existant. As a result,
it is my belief that if any monies are to be generated by the content of
personal web pages then those monies should go to the ones who deserve it,
that being the creators and admins of povray.org, whereby through them the
rest of us will most likely benefit.
KB-
Marc Schimmler wrote:
> With some horror I followed the news that Geocities and other "free" web
> space providers are going to "steal" the intellectual property of their
> users. I guess for many this is not a acceptable state (for me it would
> not).
> During the last advertising of the IRTC CD-ROM by Chris Cason Greg M.
> Johnson suggested a very good idea (my opinion). He asked if it would be
> also helping povray.org if the povray users would place their homepages
> on povray.org and allowed some advertising. Chris seemed to be
> interested but no response came!
> How about moving your Geocities homepage to povray.org and help to
> support it while denying Geocities and Tripod etc. to steal your work?
> I guess some advertisers from the graphics and software industry could
> be interested.
> Would this be OK for povray.org?
> Would this be OK for you?
>
> Any response?
> Is this nonsense?
>
> Marc
> --
> Marc Schimmler
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I would be honored to have my website on the povray.org server. I would
regret the extra work involved for the administrator of the site, so I
suggest that anyone seriously willing to take this project further create a
team to handle the webpages, and the hard drive space required for them. The
bandwith would also have to be expanded. That's a lot of money involved. I
also think that there would be a great demand and many people would put up
pointless webpages, or just use it for storage space, which is regretable.
Perhaps a select few, or a limited ammount of people (say 100) could be
allowed a personal space. I think this would add a new log to the strong
kindling fire that POV is, and would further unite this community. People I
would see as automatically elegible are:
a) Great contributors, like Ron Parker.
b) Great helpers, like Ken Tyler.
c) Great artists and winners of the IRTC, like H.E. Day and Nathan O'Brien.
I personally have my page on Xoom. They have already started to suck, now
that they have that stupid banner on the top of each page (which sometimes
ruins them completely). I would like to move to a place where I can have
5-10MB of space, and put commercials up any way I want them, preferably on
the bottom of my pages, in an elegant, discreet manner instead of pop-ups.
Those are my 2 centavos. I am in no way opposed to the project, as long as
it is completed in an organised fashion, and I can get my website on
povray.org. =)
P.S.: A small suggestion I have is to give users addresses like
"tonyb.povray.org", or "parkerr.povray.org", in short, no
"www.povray.org/tonyb". The name of course, should be chosen by the person
who wants the page.
--
Anthony L. Bennett U.
http://welcome.to/TonyB
Graphics rendered
by the Dreamachine.
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If sites on povray.org are offered, I will take one. I almost put up a
site on GeoCities, I got as far as reserving a space, and the only
reason I didn't do more was their tools wouldn't work right. I am now
glad they didn't, and am cancelling my registration. And looking for a
new place.
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>I personally have my page on Xoom. They have already started to suck, now
>that they have that stupid banner on the top of each page (which sometimes
>ruins them completely). I would like to move to a place where I can have
OK, why don't you do what I do... just get rid of the banner :)
Here's how...
If your address is http://members.xoom.com/your-user-name-here/index.html
then just retype it like this:
http://members.xoom.com/_XOOM/your-user-name-here/index.html
What happens is that when someone goes to your site, the XOOM HTTP portal
bot adds the extra frame in... by adding _XOOM/ to the address it cancels
the bot's operation and bypasses it completely, thus getting rid of the bar.
Note however that you MUST specify the file... e.g. you must point it
directly to index.html the first time, otherwise it will add the banner on.
For example, my two addresses below are redirectors. They actually point
to:
The Zone - http://come.to/the.zone
http://members.xoom.com/_XOOM/lancebirch/thezone/index.html
and
Colorblind - http://listen.to/colorblind
http://members.xoom.com/_XOOM/lancebirch/colorblind/index.html
HAVE FUN! :)
--
Lance.
---
For the latest 3D Studio MAX plug-ins, images and much more, go to:
The Zone - http://come.to/the.zone
For a totally different experience, visit my Chroma Key Website:
Colorblind - http://listen.to/colorblind
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On Wed, 30 Jun 1999 16:54:51 +0200, Marc Schimmler
<sch### [at] icauni-stuttgartde> wrote:
>During the last advertising of the IRTC CD-ROM by Chris Cason Greg M.
>Johnson suggested a very good idea (my opinion). He asked if it would be
>also helping povray.org if the povray users would place their homepages
>on povray.org and allowed some advertising. Chris seemed to be
>interested but no response came!
Hi, Marc. Thanks for mentioning Chris' post. If I had web pages and had to
pay my ISP for the space on their servers I'd rather pay the money for space
on the POV-Ray server and help support it at the same time. It just makes
sense!
People shouldn't be surprised to learn that the system that hosts these
newsgroups and povray.org wasn't donated to the POV-Team by some generous
benefactor. Neither are the developer tools that the POV-Team uses to bring
us our beloved POV-Ray. It just seems ironic that the POV-Team must spend
its own money, sometimes hundreds of dollars, to bring us a *freeware*
product. No one on the POV-Team is aiming to get rich. That's not why they
are involved with POV-Ray. They would just like to be able to get closer to
breaking even.
If anyone else would be interested in purchasing web space why don't we
let Chris know so that he can determine whether this is worth his time, in
terms of the number of potential customers that frequent this newsgroup.
Count me in.
--
Alan
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