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> Can I carry on with this scene and submit it when it
> is finished, or have I revealed too much about it ?

Yes (my opinion at least). The judging is "blind" (at least according the 
current rules, which may or may not change), but since most of the judges 
won't be familiar with the POV-Ray community, I wouldn't call this a matter 
of concern. When it comes to art, anonymity is always relative, otherwise 
there wouldn't be something called "style".

G.


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Gilles Tran wrote:
> Hello
> 
> Accordingly, it has been decided to postpone the deadline until January 31, 
> 2005. 

Is that till midnight at the end or the beginning of the day? (don't 
answer this question, it's a joke.)

Anyway couldn't you give a jury rapport for the 56 submitted entries so 
the contestants know what to make better in the image or even if it is 
worth making better.
This would help to get some worthy images for the sponsors, I think.

Also if you make the images public with your comments, then also other 
people are clear what the level of their image must be to have a change 
for a price.

-Em

Gilles Tran wrote:

> Hello
Hi
<snip>
> Accordingly, it has been decided to postpone the deadline until January
> 31, 2005. That's almost 3 additional months for people to resume or
> complete their work, or submit new ones.

Wow, fantastic.

> In a nutshell:
<snip>
> - Those of you who did not submit due to lack of time are encouraged to
> resume work on their creation.
<snip>

My case, my case  ;-) I was a little sorry for not entering...
Maybe it's time to not exhibit more WIPs...
I feel like poving :-)))
Bye.

> Gilles Tran
> 

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Tor Olav Kristensen wrote:

> As some of you know, I planned to participate in this
> competition with an Escher-like scene.

> Now I wonder:
>
> Can I carry on with this scene and submit it when it
> is finished, or have I revealed too much about it ?

An Escher-like scene ... ?

Hey, that sounds like a good idea!!!

(Does that answer your question?;)

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> Is that till midnight at the end or the beginning of the day? (don't 
> answer this question, it's a joke.)

There will be a countdown timer ! (to be confirmed, and pending official 
announcement).

> Anyway couldn't you give a jury rapport for the 56 submitted entries so 
> the contestants know what to make better in the image or even if it is 
> worth making better.
> This would help to get some worthy images for the sponsors, I think.

I'm not sure about having the judges commenting on all the images. This 
would lead on speculation about potential preferences from the judges etc.

However, I plan to write a short text addressing some of the most common 
shortcomings (which are not specific to the POVCOMP images).

> Also if you make the images public with your comments, then also other 
> people are clear what the level of their image must be to have a change 
> for a price.

The decision of making the images public is being considered, but no 
decision has been taken yet (it would depart from the original rules so it's 
not easy to decide). In any case, if you want to know what sort of level is 
expected, check a website like http://www.raph.com/3dartists/. I'll add 
other examples later.

Gilles

Gilles Tran wrote:

> 417af71a@news.povray.org...
> 
> 
>>Is that till midnight at the end or the beginning of the day? (don't 
>>answer this question, it's a joke.)
> 
> 
> There will be a countdown timer ! (to be confirmed, and pending official 
> announcement).
> 
> 
So you answered it anyway...ok.

> 
> 
> I'm not sure about having the judges commenting on all the images. This 
> would lead on speculation about potential preferences from the judges etc.

Yes, of course, but is it a problem to state that an image has potential 
if done better or not?

I mean with postponing the deadline, the competition is not really 
honest anymore. I would have done another image if I knew I had 6 months 
instead of 2.5 (one with more modeling or more complicated structures 
for example). The contestants who where too ambitious and only found out 
a week before the deadline they couldn't finish their image in time, 
have now the change to finish there project. So basically lousy planning 
gets rewarded.

Don't get me wrong I personally don't mind. With people like Tor Olav 
also participating makes the competition far more interesting.

When commenting on the submitted images, you give people ideas to make 
their work better. As most of us (if not all) are amateurs it would be a 
great learning experience. And pointing this out with examples would be 
more interesting. (Didn't you folks could make this competition better 
if you didn't got feedback in this newsgroup?)

> 
> 
>>Also if you make the images public with your comments, then also other 
>>people are clear what the level of their image must be to have a change 
>>for a price.
> 
> 
> The decision of making the images public is being considered, but no 
> decision has been taken yet (it would depart from the original rules so it's 
> not easy to decide). In any case, if you want to know what sort of level is 
> expected, check a website like http://www.raph.com/3dartists/. I'll add 
> other examples later.
> 
I agree it should be on this level. It's a pity they don't say how long 
they worked on the images.

-Em

"Gilles Tran" <gitran_nospam_@wanadoo.fr> wrote in message
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> One major reason for the lack of exceptional pieces may have been
that the
> time period of two and a half months was too short. POVCOMP is of an
order
> of magnitude harder than the IRTC,

       That's how I looked at it, and consequently, I put my all into
it. The funny thing is that after I failed to submit, I didn't feel
disappointed, I was pleased enough with my image to override that and
was looking forward to the next PoVComp.

      Anyway, I digress, what I really wanted to say is thank you for
the update Gilles, I feel that it was the right move, and a very
generous decision indeed by the PoV Team. Thanks.

   ~Steve~



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> So basically lousy planning gets rewarded.

I wouldn't call this "lousy planning". Participating in such a competition 
requires the sort of commitment that few people can afford, particularly 
those who have full-time jobs and families (see the "married folks" thread 
in p.off-topic). If one misses an evening of rendering because of some 
kid-related emergency, we can't blame lousy planning.
Oh, well, we can assume that the "lousy planners" would have been lousy too 
with a 6-month period ;-) With POV-Ray, resources (time, RAM) always end up 
being consumed in totality, no matter how much one has at the beginning.

G.


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Gilles Tran wrote:

> ...If one misses an evening of rendering because of some
> kid-related emergency, we can't blame lousy planning.

But Daaaad! Hello Kitty just announced their fall line of fashions on the
Fascist Spam Network! My pinks don't coordinate any more!! We have to go to
the mall _right_now_!!!

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rben <ray### [at] comcastnet> wrote:
>  Being told that the sum of the efforts that were
> submitted was not good enough for you to award a prize is a slap in the
> face to all of us.  This doesn't encourage me to provide you with a better
> work, this makes me reluctant to continue to participate.
> Personally, I feel that you should award the prizes and organize a new
> contest if you feel that you didn't get what you wanted from this one.

  I'm not talking officially as a TAG member, so this is a completely
unofficial remark - and pardon my french but, would you just shut up?
Your thinking is just ... simple (I have a really strong urge to write
a much stronger expression here, and it requires lots of strength to
refrain from doing so.)

  The team organized a really big competition and got sponsors to join
with huge prices, all in good faith, and when they realize they made
a miscalculation and want to remedy it, they only get idiotic responses
from people like you.

  "Organize a new contest"... Haha! Do you think AMD and Zazzle will be
pleased and willing to sponsor regularly competitions with enormous prices
but with hastily developed entries? Who will give the prices next? You?
  If people need time to create superb images, that's what they should get.

  Comments like yours are only going to cause the team to not to organize
anything like this anymore. And I'm not just talking here, I'm serious.
  The team should get our gratitude from organizing such big events,
not reprimands.

  You simply don't know what you are talking about, so please just shut
up, will you?

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