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From: Bill Pragnell
Subject: Re: Pending Storm
Date: 1 Oct 2020 03:40:00
Message: <web.5f75877c9bb6a6571b6c6b3a0@news.povray.org>
Thomas de Groot <tho### [at] degrootorg> wrote:
> Believe it or not, at this moment I have a collection
> of tricks and such from 241 individual users! Many with more than one
> trick. :-)

That would be a very interesting read, if presented in a single document... ;)


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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: Pending Storm
Date: 1 Oct 2020 04:40:40
Message: <5f759608@news.povray.org>
Op 01/10/2020 om 09:38 schreef Bill Pragnell:
> Thomas de Groot <tho### [at] degrootorg> wrote:
>> Believe it or not, at this moment I have a collection
>> of tricks and such from 241 individual users! Many with more than one
>> trick. :-)
> 
> That would be a very interesting read, if presented in a single document... ;)
> 

If I can find the time... ;-)

-- 
Thomas


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From: Kenneth
Subject: Re: Pending Storm
Date: 1 Oct 2020 16:15:01
Message: <web.5f7637b69bb6a657d98418910@news.povray.org>
"Bill Pragnell" <bil### [at] hotmailcom> wrote:
> Thomas de Groot <tho### [at] degrootorg> wrote:
> > Believe it or not, at this moment I have a collection
> > of tricks and such from 241 individual users! Many with more than one
> > trick. :-)
>
> That would be a very interesting read, if presented in a single document... ;)

I 2nd that; Thomas may have the best collection of tips and tricks that exists,
judging from his always-nice renders and comments!

I used to have such a collection-- far less in number than Thomas's-- but it was
on an older hard drive that failed, and I haven't yet found my back-up copy (if
indeed I made one.) :-(  I have a tendency to write detailed notes and tips IN
my scenes, so at least I have those to refer to...but they are usually
scene-specific, not general.


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From: Kenneth
Subject: Re: Pending Storm
Date: 1 Oct 2020 16:45:06
Message: <web.5f763ed79bb6a657d98418910@news.povray.org>
"Bald Eagle" <cre### [at] netscapenet> wrote:
> This came out well - the perspective / viewpoint works very well.
>
> It looks very different between my 2 monitors.  I'm not sure how to
> independently change the screen colors/gamma on my laptop but leave the
> auxiliary monitor as it is.

I have a similar problem, which might be related to yours(?)

Three or four years ago, my trusty old cathode-ray-tube monitor died, and I
bought a typical inexpensive LED 'TV' monitor as a replacement (a Vizio model.)
There was a decided color shift (or specific-color 'enhancement') that I still
have not figured out or corrected, at least with the TV's basic color controls.
I've simply gotten used to it by now, sad to say.

But I raised this problem in the newsgroups years ago, and Clipka mentioned that
my new monitor (or my computer) may not have the correct 'ICC color profile'
installed. I neglected to follow up on that advice-- it was rather technical--
and now I don't remember where the newsgroup posts are, or the date.

So your problem may likewise be related to an incorrect or mis-matched color
profile somewhere. Just a guess, though.


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From: Kenneth
Subject: Re: Pending Storm
Date: 1 Oct 2020 17:05:06
Message: <web.5f76441d9bb6a657d98418910@news.povray.org>
"Kenneth" <kdw### [at] gmailcom> wrote:

>
> Three or four years ago, my trusty old cathode-ray-tube monitor died, and I
> bought a typical inexpensive LED 'TV' monitor as a replacement...

It was actually about 7 years ago, now that I recall-- which might give both of
us a better chance of finding the comments by Clipka.


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: Pending Storm
Date: 1 Oct 2020 19:57:38
Message: <5f766cf2$1@news.povray.org>
On Wed, 30 Sep 2020 08:46:20 +0200, Thomas de Groot wrote:

> Op 29/09/2020 om 17:56 schreef Jim Henderson:
>> Really nice - I love the clouds in particular. :)
>>
>>
> Thanks Jim. Those clouds seem to appeal to a majority it seems ;-) I
> guess this is partly because they are almost at eye level which makes
> them more dramatic.

Possibly - for me, it's also the texture itself, it just feels like a 
cloud.  :)

> I failed to mention earlier that the high, thin, clouds in the sky were
> produced by Zeger Knaepen's FastClouds macro. Some dramatic lighting
> effect /under/ the clouds is the result of just two properly adjusted
> fog codes...

Very nice.

Jim
-- 
"I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and 
besides, the pig likes it." - George Bernard Shaw


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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: Pending Storm
Date: 2 Oct 2020 02:36:37
Message: <5f76ca75$1@news.povray.org>
Op 01/10/2020 om 22:10 schreef Kenneth:
> "Bill Pragnell" <bil### [at] hotmailcom> wrote:
>> Thomas de Groot <tho### [at] degrootorg> wrote:
>>> Believe it or not, at this moment I have a collection
>>> of tricks and such from 241 individual users! Many with more than one
>>> trick. :-)
>>
>> That would be a very interesting read, if presented in a single document... ;)
> 
> I 2nd that; Thomas may have the best collection of tips and tricks that exists,
> judging from his always-nice renders and comments!
> 
> I used to have such a collection-- far less in number than Thomas's-- but it was
> on an older hard drive that failed, and I haven't yet found my back-up copy (if
> indeed I made one.) :-(  I have a tendency to write detailed notes and tips IN
> my scenes, so at least I have those to refer to...but they are usually
> scene-specific, not general.
> 

Naaahh.... putting me under duress, are you? ;-)

As a matter of facts, I have been playing for a long time with the idea 
of "publishing" all that stuff some way or another. I am aware that when 
I shall come to disappear, all that stuff will be "lost". I need to do 
something about it, if only because I feel an obligation to the 
community who provided me with it. Additionally, I may discover use for 
the many items I never included in my scenes. A majority most probably.

You have got my attention gentlemen.

-- 
Thomas


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From: Bald Eagle
Subject: Re: Pending Storm
Date: 2 Oct 2020 06:40:00
Message: <web.5f7702949bb6a6571f9dae300@news.povray.org>
Thomas de Groot <tho### [at] degrootorg> wrote:
I have been playing for a long time with the idea
> of "publishing" all that stuff some way or another. I am aware that when
> I shall come to disappear, all that stuff will be "lost". I need to do
> something about it, if only because I feel an obligation to the
> community who provided me with it. Additionally, I may discover use for
> the many items I never included in my scenes. A majority most probably.
>
> You have got my attention gentlemen.

I'd say that a good step 1 would be to get everything into one folder and make
an index file with all of the filenames (with an eye toward making it HTML).

Then you can start with the minimum needed to make it "useable" - under each
filename, you can put author, date/version, link to original post if you know
it, and any notes or comments that you might have.   Mention scenes that you've
used it in.  Perhaps while you're doing this, think of a grouping scheme or tags
for the files: plants, buildings, people, clouds, water....

That way you can sort of skim through it and hit the highlights, which are
likely the most interesting/useful items in the collection.

That sets it up for posting to a file hosting site, and folks can download it,
look it over, and discuss some of the files - then it kinda takes on a life of
its own and people can find missing information, divine the purpose of code that
you're not sure of, catch bugs, make edits for clarity and efficiency, etc.
Many hands make light work.

Many things might be a wonderful addition to the Insert Menu.


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From: MichaelJF
Subject: Re: Pending Storm
Date: 2 Oct 2020 12:10:48
Message: <5f775108$1@news.povray.org>
Am 28.09.2020 um 12:19 schrieb jr:
> hi,
> 
> Thomas de Groot <tho### [at] degrootorg> wrote:
>> ... thinking about a background landscape. ...
> 
> fully agree with PG regarding landscape and colours.  not too far off views seen
> in the Eifel.  lovely.
> 
> 
> regards, jr.
> 
What part of the Eifel do you have in your mind? I admit that I never 
visited the western parts (high fens) but only the High Eifel, the 
Volcanic Eifel, Mayen and the Maria Laach Abbey and very often the 
valley of the Ahr where my wife is born at the village Rech. But in all 
the now 40 years I visit the Eifel I never noticed this kind of 
landscape there.

@Thomas: A very interessting approach in using billboards trees. May be 
there are some litte technical difficulties (the missing shadows of the 
stems), which can be solved. But the generell idea is great.

For my actuall scene I played with the trial version of Xfrog and 
generated different plant models where you dont need a Billboard fake. I 
tried to get a licence (the actual sale-offer of 99 US-Bucks is really a 
bargain for this elobarated software) but have not received a license 
code so far after more than a week of payment. So may be I have to 
cancel this order and be content with my models of Pinus pinaster, typha 
latifolia, a rottenn version of their tutorial to Solidago canadensis 
and the common broom I modelled during the trial periode.

Best regards
Michael


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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: Pending Storm
Date: 3 Oct 2020 02:46:01
Message: <5f781e29@news.povray.org>
Op 02/10/2020 om 18:10 schreef MichaelJF:
> @Thomas: A very interessting approach in using billboards trees. May be 
> there are some litte technical difficulties (the missing shadows of the 
> stems), which can be solved. But the generell idea is great.

I don't remember where I got the idea; it certainly was not an original 
one ;-) I have used it now in a number of scenes, also with a gradation 
to "real" trees more in the foreground. The shadow problem with the Sun 
more on edge to the billboards came along rather naturally and the 
solution was almost obvious.

> 
> For my actuall scene I played with the trial version of Xfrog and 
> generated different plant models where you dont need a Billboard fake. I 
> tried to get a licence (the actual sale-offer of 99 US-Bucks is really a 
> bargain for this elobarated software) but have not received a license 
> code so far after more than a week of payment. So may be I have to 
> cancel this order and be content with my models of Pinus pinaster, typha 
> latifolia, a rottenn version of their tutorial to Solidago canadensis 
> and the common broom I modelled during the trial periode.
> 

Xfrog is considered one of the top plant-generating software. I have not 
considered (yet) to buy it. My need is not that great. However, before 
cancelling, have you tried to contact them?

-- 
Thomas


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