povray.org admin team wrote in message
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> In addition,
>we no longer will be taking Windows bug reports by email (that's not
directly
>related to this incident, though it didn't help). In future, all reports
for
>the Windows version must go to a newsgroup on this server.

Will there be new newsgroups at news.povray.org?

A heirarchy something like ...

povray.bug   ------>post faq on bug here and howto?
povray.bug.{platform}  ---->would be active only for current version?

If you do this - would it work better as moderated newsgroups
and to add [ticket] tags?

Above suggested in case the model followed is the Apache open
bugbase model.

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PLEASE NOTE: What I write here I do not truly believe, read just a smidgen
of sarcasm into everything I write in this post.
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Ken <tyl### [at] pacbellnet> wrote in article
<360A5B41.AC58D40D@pacbell.net>...
> Scott Hill wrote:
> 
> > Ken <tyl### [at] pacbellnet> wrote in article
> > <36054595.82F405B0@pacbell.net>...
> > > povray.org admin team wrote:
> > >
> > >     I agree with what you say although the British are not
> > > immune from doing the same thing. Take the common
> > > expressions "telly" and "uni" for the correct pronounciation
> > > of television and university.
> >
> > <pointless pedantry>
> >
> >         Actually "telly" and "uni" are abbreviations. And any how it's
our
> > language do with what we please, the rest of you lot are just borrowing
it.
> > <\pointless pedantry>
> > --
> > Scott Hill
> 
> Borrowing it Sir ? Why the population base of North America
> originaly started as a British colony. Throw in some Frenchies,
> a few spanish, and and a handfull of  Dutch. It's been over 200
> years now since we decided the British way of life was too
> restrictive and you guy's just can't seem to get over it. We have
> forgiven you though.

	What you mean is it's been over 200 years since we kicked you out of our
country and now you all go round corrupting our language and thinking you
rule the world. Just remember we did rule the world once (or a good
proportion of it). ;-)

>     Now as far as "we" just borrowing your language that just is
> not true. The "American" language is evolving at a tremendous rate.
> We are absorbing the worlds homeless, in large numbers annualy,
> and as a consequence it is becoming a true multi-national language.

	Just 'cos you go round bastardising our beautiful language it don't make
it yours. And you think absorbing the worlds homeless is a good thing ?
Sure take in the dregs of society if you wish, then the rest of us can use
you as dumping ground for our unwanted trash. The multi-nationality of
English has more to do with our conquering a good part of the civilised
world than the over-inflated American ego. ;-)

>      America ! We are the world.

	Urrgh! Just thinking about that damn song makes me want to hurl.

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really as xenophobic as this sounds), please add a liberal sprinkling of
smileys, thankyou.
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Scott Hill wrote:

>         What you mean is it's been over 200 years since we kicked you out of our
> country and now you all go round corrupting our language and thinking you
> rule the world. Just remember we did rule the world once (or a good
> proportion of it). ;-)

Kicked us out ! Yes you did and when we found a better placeyou wanted that too.
Then you tried to kick out of there.

> >     Now as far as "we" just borrowing your language that just is
> > not true. The "American" language is evolving at a tremendous rate.
> > We are absorbing the worlds homeless, in large numbers annualy,
> > and as a consequence it is becoming a true multi-national language.
>
>         Just 'cos you go round bastardising our beautiful language it don't make
> it yours. And you think absorbing the worlds homeless is a good thing ?
> Sure take in the dregs of society if you wish, then the rest of us can use
> you as dumping ground for our unwanted trash. The multi-nationality of
> English has more to do with our conquering a good part of the civilised
> world than the over-inflated American ego. ;-)

Juzt cuz we change the languange doezn't make it wrong. We change itto make it zound
better.

> >      America ! We are the world.
>
>         Urrgh! Just thinking about that damn song makes me want to hurl.

I'm glad that didn't go un-notized. ;^ }

> <anti flame device>
> Once again let emphasise that I DO NOT really mean most of that (I'm not
> really as xenophobic as this sounds), please add a liberal sprinkling of
> smileys, thankyou.
> <\anti flame device>
> --
> Scott Hill

Ken Tyler

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Wykan wrote:

> Remco de Korte wrote:
> > I think Ken wants to congratulate Jaysun.
>
> No no, he's clearly congratulating Dzheyconne.

No! Felicidades a Yeyson Barlou.

--
Heinz Hemken
International Franchise Capital
San Diego, California

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Mike wrote:

> Az an American az well, I would like to zay that I think thiz personz complaint iz
> a perfectly good one.  Fine, wordz like optimized, minimized, and customized might
> not in any way impact the actual performanze of the program, but who are U 2 write
> anything that doezn't conform to the U Z of A'z form of mutilated Englizh.  We are
> the ones who have taken the lowly Z and made it into zomething useful.  Until we
> got our handz on it, the only uze for it waz when writing the word zebra.  What a
> wazte.
>
> Therefore, I would like to izzue a formal requezt for the following zyntax:
>
> zphere
> zuperellipzoid
> zor
> tranzmit
> tranzlate
> zcale
> zpiral1
> zpiral2
> wrinklz
> mezh
> zpotted
> zpecular
> roughnezz
>
> Therz probably more, but I'm too upzet too think of them.  Az a matter of fact, the
> only one you got right waz bozo!
>
> sinzerily,
>
> zelda ziznadiznorn
> UZA

It probably won't happen. I think I figured out why the
Britizh are so reziztant towardz uzing the letter Z. You zee
they are not taught how to uze the Z key when taking
typing clazzez, where in the USA, it iz mandatory to learn
how to type that letter.

Ken Tyler

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Well, thanks for your input iason. I am sure that the POV-team will go
through all the documentation just to accomadate your puny, arrohgant
wishes. Maybe, they should make you do it. Have fun. And no using
"Search and Replace". 300 pages of text, with the words you so hate.
Well, change them yourself. Maybe that will teach you iason. or iazon.

P.S.I bet your the kind of person, who, in Latin class, crossed out all
the V's and put W's.

Heinz Hemken wrote:

> Wykan wrote:
>
> > Remco de Korte wrote:
> > > I think Ken wants to congratulate Jaysun.
> >
> > No no, he's clearly congratulating Dzheyconne.
>
> No! Felicidades a Yeyson Barlou.
>
> --
> Heinz Hemken
> International Franchise Capital
> San Diego, California

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Alex Magidow wrote:
> 
> Well, thanks for your input iason. I am sure that the POV-team will go
> through all the documentation just to accomadate your puny, arrohgant
> wishes. Maybe, they should make you do it. Have fun. And no using
> "Search and Replace". 300 pages of text, with the words you so hate.
> Well, change them yourself. Maybe that will teach you iason. or iazon.
> 
> P.S.I bet your the kind of person, who, in Latin class, crossed out all
> the V's and put W's.

...and I bet you're the kind of person who would publicly mock him if he
did... 

Frankly, I've read enough from people ridiculing Jason and his thoughtless
e-mail. I can't see what it has to do with POV-ray. Our POV-ray representative
may have started this thread, but that doesn't mean we have to continue it
forever with repetitive insults, most of which have the same intellectual
content as Jason's bug report. It doesn't help my peace of mind that I have
reason to believe that Jason's attempts to explain himself were removed from
the newsgroup. I am not defending him, but I've had enough of people attacking
him. I guess I thought we had better things to do, or that we could have left
the gang mentality and petty behavior outside this newsgroup. Now I know better.

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>content as Jason's bug report. It doesn't help my peace of mind that I have
>reason to believe that Jason's attempts to explain himself were removed from
>the newsgroup. I am not defending him, but I've had enough of people attacking

I'd like to know on what basis you place that fairly nasty accusation. We do
not involve ourselves in that sort of selective editing. On the very rare
occasion that something is removed from this server, the entire thread goes,
lock stock and barrel, with no exception. As far as we are aware Jason has
never posted any message on this server, period.

Please now explain where this baseless implication comes from.

-- Newsadmin

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povray.org admin team wrote:
 
> Over the years, Americans have modified various parts of the English
> language to create these variants (another good example is the US
> 'color' vs the English 'colour'). That's all well and good - we don't
> dispute the right of Americans to change the language they speak.

I do believe the English have also changed the language a bit over the
centuries.  The English of Chaucer was not the English of the Beowolf
poet, nor is Shakespere's English that of Chaucer.  The Brittish English
of today is not exactly that which was spoken by Shakespere, either. 
Language altering is not strictly an American habit, but in the passing
of history nearly every language has developed it's own dialects, and
every written language has made extensive changes to its orthography. 
Let's be fair....
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Benjamin Keil <bke### [at] indianaedu> wrote:

>povray.org admin team wrote:
> 
>> Over the years, Americans have modified various parts of the English
>> language to create these variants (another good example is the US
>> 'color' vs the English 'colour'). That's all well and good - we don't
>> dispute the right of Americans to change the language they speak.
>
>I do believe the English have also changed the language a bit over the
>centuries.  The English of Chaucer was not the English of the Beowolf
>poet, nor is Shakespere's English that of Chaucer.  The Brittish English
>of today is not exactly that which was spoken by Shakespere, either. 
>Language altering is not strictly an American habit, but in the passing
>of history nearly every language has developed it's own dialects, and
>every written language has made extensive changes to its orthography. 
>Let's be fair....

I was fair ... hence our statement that it's their right to change it.

Nevertheless, we don't sit in English class critisizing Shakespere for his
spelling :). We know that the language has changed. We know that, at the time
Shakespere wrote, the spelling he used was correct in the context of his time.

We (the collective 'we' here being, I suppose, any non-American English
speaker, though I can hardly profess to speak for all of them) don't mind
Americans changing the language in the least, as long as they don't act as if
they invented it, and give us a tongue-lashing when we don't spell it as they
choose. Which, after all, is the cause of this entire, long, thread.

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