Just got the isos burned on CDRs. I can boldly say I am the first one
in Bulgaria to use Slackware 8.0 . Even the local Slack mirrors don't
have it :)

Installation and setup took 45 minutes. One reboot was needed since I
recompiled my kernel. The 45 minutes include 18 minutes for
recompiling the kernel. I have a running networking, ppp, firewall,
web server, proxy, X... basically everything I need. I only have to
install licq, but it's a 10 minute job.

And to think people say installing Linux is hard :)


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I've installed it last week-end.

As nice as always. I just wished the team had the time to
update more docs, because some are really outdated (and
marked as such), and this can give the impression to the
newcommer that he is entering an old museum.

I've not had time to play with it much, however, because
one of the first things I installed afterwards was Unreal
Tournament, and I can say it has eaten quite a lot of
CPU cycles since (and quite a lot of my night hours, too).

BTW, I happen to know one of the first persons to have
installed it, worldwise. He was just wandering around the
FTP site when he noticed the ISOs had been released. He
actually had time to download them before the whole world
came and kept the server on its knees for several days.

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> I've not had time to play with it much, however, because
> one of the first things I installed afterwards was Unreal
> Tournament, and I can say it has eaten quite a lot of
> CPU cycles since (and quite a lot of my night hours, too).

You got it working fast enough to be playable online?

I'd been playing online for a few months in Windows, then decided to
give the Linux version a try, installed it, saw that it ran fine in
single player mode, got really excited and then joined an online game
just to find out that it was just a little bit too slow when things
get a little hot. :-(

Local lag in the critical moments can make the difference between
dying and winning. Too bad, could have saved me from a lot of dual
boots.

That was with Red Hat 7.1, 800 MHz Pentium III and a Geforce 256 DDR
graphics card. But not with Povray running in the background. :)

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Ole Laursen wrote:
> 
> You got it working fast enough to be playable online?

That box has no connection to the Internet (or to
any network) so no, I haven't been able to play it
online.

I might try on a local LAN, but it's not even sure.

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In article <5irpktgfo0udr0idmr1aklv1t9r6mmsfa2@4ax.com> , Peter Popov 
<pet### [at] vipbg>  wrote:

> Installation and setup took 45 minutes.

The average Mac OS takes 10 minutes ;-)  But seriously, 45 minutes for Linux
sounds good.  I assume it doesn't require much manual tweaking either?


     Thorsten


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On Mon, 16 Jul 2001 21:56:23 +0200, "Thorsten Froehlich"
<tho### [at] trfde> wrote:

>> Installation and setup took 45 minutes.
>
>The average Mac OS takes 10 minutes ;-)  

A custom installation? I doubt it. Either a) you read fast and are
fast with the mouse b) MacOS doesn't provide for too much tweaking or
c) you did a typical install. Besides, you didn't move your HDD to the
computer with the CD (OK, OK, that's a fast one. :) )

>But seriously, 45 minutes for Linux sounds good.  I assume it doesn't 
>require much manual tweaking either?

It ran perfectly fine right from the beginning. Of course, with Linux
you can tweak and tune all you like. That's what I am doing now,
making little scripts to use as shortcuts in KDE to automate the most
common tasks. Kool :)


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In article <2pr6lts959u4t1jdm1bs4bk6bjkohds7j7@4ax.com> , Peter Popov 
<pet### [at] vipbg>  wrote:

>>The average Mac OS takes 10 minutes ;-)
>
> A custom installation?

Yes.  The trick is that with Mac OS you setup everything before the install,
not during it.  I find it very annoying to have to sit next to a computer
for an hour just to press a button every once in a while.

> It ran perfectly fine right from the beginning.

So you have very "standard" hardware?  Last summer I installed a Linux just
for "fun".  It was no fun and took much longer than a Windows NT install.
In particular I missed any useful documentation.  Nothing was straight
forward as one would expect and it would never keep its TCP/IP configuration
I found it very annoying and removed it after three month (by that time my
father wanted the partition back).

> Of course, with Linux you can tweak and tune all you like.

I know.  I was more up to any improvements in the default installation.  I
don't to have to tweak the system for weeks until I can use it.  I am not
interested in learning the setup of Linux after all.  And I am planning
another install in a PC emulation on Macs in order to run apache/mysql/php.

So my major concern is if it makes sense to install a system in less than an
hour and have it up and running well.  I wouldn't even need X-windows, I
just need it to boot quickly and it should be easy to turn on/off what I
want with some tool rather than hacking configuration files.  It has to be
fool-proof because I never read any documentation...

    Thorsten

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Thorsten Froehlich wrote:

> It has to be fool-proof because I never read any documentation...

Good thing POV-Ray users aren't like that...  :)

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> Yes.  The trick is that with Mac OS you setup everything before the install,
> not during it.  I find it very annoying to have to sit next to a computer
> for an hour just to press a button every once in a while.

  Latest Linux installtions are not this way. With RH 6.2, you fill some
screens in 5 minutes and the the installation starts. On my machine, an
standard Linux installation tooks much less than a windows 98 typical
installation, perhaps about 30 minutes for a full workstation
installation.

> So you have very "standard" hardware?  Last summer I installed a Linux just
> for "fun".  It was no fun and took much longer than a Windows NT install.
> In particular I missed any useful documentation.  Nothing was straight
> forward as one would expect and it would never keep its TCP/IP configuration
> I found it very annoying and removed it after three month (by that time my
> father wanted the partition back).
> I know.  I was more up to any improvements in the default installation.  I
> don't to have to tweak the system for weeks until I can use it.  I am not
> interested in learning the setup of Linux after all.  And I am planning
> another install in a PC emulation on Macs in order to run apache/mysql/php.

  I've installed at least 30 times Linux on many different machines, and
never had many problems, appart from having to download the driver for
some sound or video card (always found quickly on the net, and lately
comming on the CD's from the manufacturer). All were usable just some
minutes after installing. I only find tweakin needed for some
non-standard features and advanced setups. About the emulation... I
don't know if Linux will work under an emulation...
 
> So my major concern is if it makes sense to install a system in less than an
> hour and have it up and running well.  I wouldn't even need X-windows, I
> just need it to boot quickly and it should be easy to turn on/off what I
> want with some tool rather than hacking configuration files.  It has to be
> fool-proof because I never read any documentation...

  Well, I think perhaps Linux is not for you... but if the *GOOD THING*
about Linux is that you *CAN* read the documentation! 

  Anyhow, in RH for example, you have Linuxconf, wich can manage all the
usual configurations safely (if you don't edit manually the scripts it
handles), and has a nice on-line help (can you press F1 to read some
lines? :).

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Jaime Vives Piqueres wrote:
> 

> > Yes.  The trick is that with Mac OS you setup everything before the install,
> > not during it.  I find it very annoying to have to sit next to a computer
> > for an hour just to press a button every once in a while.
> 
>   Latest Linux installtions are not this way. With RH 6.2, [...]

As for Slackware 8.0, you have two "interactive" parts in the install.
The installation setup part (partitions, which packages to install,
etc.), after which the packages are copied to the disk (and you can
go take a break, then). Then the distro setup part, where you
configure network, mouse, etc.

Anyway, you'll probably reboot after that and continue tweaking your
freshly installed distro, so I don't think that the two "interactive"
parts are a nuisance. The second part simply never ends, it's called
"day-to-day usage".  :-)

Copying the whole distro can take some 30 minutes (it of course
only depends of your hardware). The interactive part can be done
quickly if you know what you want.

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