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And I thought that it stood for Editing MACro System
Francois Dispot wrote:
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> Warp wrote:
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> > Emacs supports all that and more.
>
> Great, we just get one of the oldest holy wars available!
> BTW, doesn't Emacs stand for Escape-Meta-Alt-Ctrl-Shift?
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Adrien Beau wrote:
> Ole Laursen wrote:
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> > So let us reply: from the POV of a VI user, Emacs is of course so much
> > more user-friendly that it must seem like a WYSIWYG system. I mean,
> > with Emacs you can actually edit documents [1].
>
> Once it has finished loading, that is. But I guess every EMACS user
> has a 1 GHz proc, 1 GB mem and 100 MB/sec harddrive, so it doesn't
> matter too much.
Now now. Watch the exageration.
For working at home I used to run on a 133 MHz machine with 64MB Ram. I
seem to recall that my emacs instances when running the POV-Ray mode were
on the order of a whopping 8MB. Drive space was maybe a 2 Gig drive.
Of course, if you really need it, I can track down a copy of edlin for you
to use under dosemu.
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"Jon A. Cruz" wrote:
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> > Once it has finished loading, that is. But I guess every EMACS user
> > has a 1 GHz proc, 1 GB mem and 100 MB/sec harddrive, so it doesn't
> > matter too much.
>
> Now now. Watch the exageration.
Carefully crafted, mind you.
> Of course, if you really need it, I can track down a copy of edlin for you
> to use under dosemu.
I think I have an archive somewhere with DOS 6.0 and edlin
provided as a "backward compability tool" (?). Tried it once.
Hardly usable. Went back to Aurora, which is (was) the best
editor on MS-DOS.
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Steve wrote:
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> >Once it has finished loading, that is. But I guess every EMACS user
> >has a 1 GHz proc, 1 GB mem and 100 MB/sec harddrive, so it doesn't
> >matter too much.
>
> Not so, I only have a 266 with 224 M RAM, and don't find emacs a drain.
I hope so! If EMACS really needed so much power in order to just run
aceptably, Vi users wouldn't dare to laugh at its size and slowness.
It would really be impolite.
> Sometimes when I've had the same large file open for about five days or
> more emacs can get a bit sluggish, but closing it and opening it again
> solves the problem. I'm not even sure that this is an emacs problem,
> it could well be Netscape, as when this problem occurs I tend to shut
> all open windows and restart X.
A memory leak somewhere. Odds are it's Netscape's fault rather
than EMACS's.
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Ole Laursen wrote:
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> I don't get your point?
>
> I run "emacs &" in the nearest terminal window, go feeding my aquarium
> fish, visit the bathroom, eat an apple, play a little Bach tune on the
> piano, take a shower, read a book etc., and when I get back, I can use
> Emacs _instantly_. I don't wait as much as a nanosecond. Not even one.
Someone who understood the fun... :-)
> Improved in what way? The only thing I can think of that would improve
> VI, would be a welcome screen like
>
> Welcome to VI!
>
> To quit this program, press any key. Then type "emacs" and hit
> return.
Actually the screen is almost what you describe. There's no mention
of the Other Editor, however.
> FATHER KILLER SET FREE
>
> Today true justice spoke [...]
http://www.thinkgeek.com/images/products/zoom/vi-emacs.jpg
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By the way, speaking of this emacs vs vi:
I just noticed that you can make emacs to work exactly like if it was vi.
Just type 'meta-x vi-mode'.
Now the question is: Emacs can simulate vi, but can vi simulate emacs?-)
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Adrien Beau wrote:
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> http://www.thinkgeek.com/images/products/zoom/vi-emacs.jpg
>
You got that URL wrong.
Here's the correct one:
http://www.thinkgeek.com/images/products/zoom/emacs-vi.jpg
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Adrien Beau wrote:
> I think I have an archive somewhere with DOS 6.0 and edlin
> provided as a "backward compability tool" (?). Tried it once.
> Hardly usable. Went back to Aurora, which is (was) the best
> editor on MS-DOS.
Ah, but then you miss the parallel of VI, where one could be sure that any DOS
box you sit down would have edlin on it. Much like VI and unix, where it's main
purpose is to aid installing and configuring emacs.
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On Mon, 03 Sep 2001 10:05:26 +0200, Adrien Beau wrote:
>> Welcome to VI!
>>
>> To quit this program, press any key. Then type "emacs" and hit
>> return.
>
>Actually the screen is almost what you describe. There's no mention
>of the Other Editor, however.
In my version it has:
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~ VIM - Vi IMproved
~
~ version 5.6.11
~ by Bram Moolenaar et al.
~
~ Vim is freely distributable
~ type :help uganda<Enter> if you like Vim
~
~ type :q<Enter> to exit
~ type :help<Enter> or <F1> for on-line help
~ type :help version5<Enter> for version info
~ type :!emacs & to do some real work
~
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"Jon A. Cruz" wrote:
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> Adrien Beau wrote:
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> Ah, but then you miss the parallel of VI, where one could be sure that any DOS
> box you sit down would have edlin on it. Much like VI and unix, where it's main
> purpose is to aid installing and configuring emacs.
Aurora fit on a couple floppies and could be installed in a
lot of places.
It is true you need the full-power of a great editor to begin
the first steps of planning an installation of EMACS.
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