POV-Ray : Newsgroups : povray.tools.poser : Combining Materials in Poser Server Time
25 Sep 2021 09:05:25 EDT (-0400)
  Combining Materials in Poser (Message 7 to 16 of 16)  
<<< Previous 6 Messages Goto Initial 10 Messages
From: St 
Subject: Re: Combining Materials in Poser
Date: 27 Jun 2007 12:04:12
Message: <46828a7c$1@news.povray.org>
"Stephen" <mcavoys_AT_aolDOT.com> wrote in message 
news:web.46827b8e4575884c4e49fa40@news.povray.org...

> I may have explained this badly. I have one mesh with three different
> materials assigned to different parts of the mesh (I think).

    Ah, I see, sorry Stephen, my bad, not yours, I thought you had three 
models that made the skirt.


>>
>>
>> but in materials I was
>> > able to "assign" all the faces I wanted, to one material, and then 
>> > delete
>> > the others. I'm a bit worried because everyone says that there is a 
>> > steep
>> > learning curve with Wings.
>>
>>   No, quite the opposite - it's got an easy learning curve.
>>
> Good.
>
>>     Hmm, I know what you mean, when I import a figure from Poser into 
>> Wings,
>> it's always too small, so I combine every object and simply scale up to 
>> what
>> I want. When I import the same model back into Poser, it's way too large.
>> I've noticed in Poser that there is a 'percent' option for importing and
>> exporting, I haven't experimented with this yet, but I wonder if this 
>> should
>> be used, and if so, what would the inputs be?
>
> That's percentage of a standard figure which changes the scale to match 
> your
> input. I use a different value each time I use it, about 30% to 50 %. It 
> is
> easier to rescale the model if you do that. (I think that doing that is 
> bad
> working practice, tho')
> I think Janet may have described how to do it a couple of weeks ago. But
> when I'm at my laptop I'm offline and when I'm online I'm at work in an
> open office.

    Ok, I'll have a play with that.


>
>>     Anyway, just yell if you need to know anything else about Wings.  :)
>>
>
> I'm so pleased that you asked :-)
> How do you Navigate? I would like to pan and rotate around the model and I
> would like to Zoom into a selected area.

    Good question, but I'm not sure I can answer it with how it works with a 
laptop. But if you have a wheel mouse at work, then just click the wheel 
once and roll it in and out for zooming, and just pan around with the mouse. 
If it isn't a wheel mouse, I think you just hold down the right button iirc.

     ~Steve~


>
>
>
> Stephen
>
>
>


Post a reply to this message

From: Tom York
Subject: Re: Combining Materials in Poser
Date: 27 Jun 2007 14:10:02
Message: <web.4682a76b4575884efea89b60@news.povray.org>
I think you can also choose a different mouse setup if you don't like the
default. There's an option in the edit menu->preferences->camera.

Tom


Post a reply to this message

From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Combining Materials in Poser
Date: 28 Jun 2007 03:40:02
Message: <web.468365c74575884c4e49fa40@news.povray.org>
"St." <dot### [at] dotcom> wrote:
> > How do you Navigate? I would like to pan and rotate around the model and I
> > would like to Zoom into a selected area.
>
>     Good question, but I'm not sure I can answer it with how it works with a
> laptop. But if you have a wheel mouse at work, then just click the wheel
> once and roll it in and out for zooming, and just pan around with the mouse.
> If it isn't a wheel mouse, I think you just hold down the right button iirc.
>
>      ~Steve~
>


function can be changed to middle click and zoom. I normally use a tablet
so I can configure those functions as well, thanks for the hint.


Stephen


Post a reply to this message

From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: Combining Materials in Poser
Date: 28 Jun 2007 07:25:41
Message: <46839ab5$1@news.povray.org>
"Stephen" <mcavoys_AT_aolDOT.com> schreef in bericht 
news:web.46827b8e4575884c4e49fa40@news.povray.org...
>
> That's percentage of a standard figure which changes the scale to match 
> your
> input. I use a different value each time I use it, about 30% to 50 %. It 
> is
> easier to rescale the model if you do that. (I think that doing that is 
> bad
> working practice, tho')
> I think Janet may have described how to do it a couple of weeks ago. But
> when I'm at my laptop I'm offline and when I'm online I'm at work in an
> open office.

OK. Just back again online.
Yes, Janet explained that the best thing to do while importing obj figures, 
is to uncheck everything in the import window of Poser. The figure (or prop) 
will then appear at the origin and at the same scale as its original. 
However, there may be exceptions. For instance, this works fine for Silo 
1.42, but the beta Silo 2.0 scales the figure down by exactly 50%! I don't 
know about Wings...

Thomas


Post a reply to this message

From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: Combining Materials in Poser
Date: 28 Jun 2007 07:32:23
Message: <46839c47$1@news.povray.org>
"St." <dot### [at] dotcom> schreef in bericht news:4680efdf@news.povray.org...
>
> "Stephen" <mcavoys_AT_aolDOT.com> wrote in message 
> news:web.4680e5cbf75b4df2c4e49fa40@news.povray.org...
>> Can anyone tell me a quick way to change materials? I have a skirt (and I
>> look nice in it :-) that has three parts, hem, lower and upper skirt. I
>> want to combine them and use only one material. I think that I could do 
>> it
>> in a modeller and import it into Poser but I find that the scaling of the
>> imported mesh does not remain constant. (I am using 3DS format.) So I 
>> would
>> like to make the whole skirt out of one simple material and add aging and
>> dirt in my modeller. Any Ideas?
>
>     Stephen, in Wings, there's a 'combine' command that will do this.
>
>      I'm not sure if there is a scaling problem with 3DS files in Wings, 
> but I would try converting to OBJ if there is, (seems to keep scale ok).
>

I think that highlighting *all* the surfaces of the model and assign them a 
single texture will do the trick, if as you say the model consist of one 
mesh with three textures. If you want to uv map that texture, then you will 
need to unwrap the mesh. My experience with Wings for that is not 
conclusive, but since I discovered the new ability in the beta of Silo, this 
is working fantastically. Other free stuff that do the job (they say) would 
be UVMapper, but I have no real experience with that.

Thomas


Post a reply to this message

From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: Combining Materials in Poser
Date: 28 Jun 2007 07:41:15
Message: <46839e5b$1@news.povray.org>
"Stephen" <mcavoys_AT_aolDOT.com> schreef in bericht 
news:web.4680fb824575884c4e49fa40@news.povray.org...
> I would still like to know more about the Material Room, tho'.
>

There are huge possibilities and functions in the Material Room I found out. 
However, I suspect that many of those possibilities are proprietary to Poser 
in the sense that I have not the slightest idea if, and if yes, how, these 
functions are translated in Poseray towards POV-Ray. That would be for 
FlyerX to answer. Most of this particular information is embedded in the pz3 
or pzz file, and used in combination with the obj and mat files to generate 
the POV-Ray files.

Remember what FlyerX answered to my comment on this in p.b.i.:
My comment:
> 3) Procedural textures: Procedural textures in Poser are only shown in
> Poseray (and exported to POV-Ray) as pigments and finishes. This is
> understandable as the procedural parameters used by Poser may not be 
> easily
> translated into POV-Ray code. When using procedural textures in Poser, 
> best
> is to find an equivalent POV-Ray texture and use that instead.
FlyerX answered:
I agree. Would be nice if Poser could bake and export its procedural
textures. This and strand hair are features that makes Poser less
portable to other applications.

Thomas


Post a reply to this message

From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Combining Materials in Poser
Date: 28 Jun 2007 08:05:01
Message: <web.4683a3a94575884c4e49fa40@news.povray.org>
"Thomas de Groot" <t.d### [at] internlDOTnet> wrote:

> There are huge possibilities and functions in the Material Room I found out.
> However, I suspect that many of those possibilities are proprietary to Poser
> in the sense that I have not the slightest idea if, and if yes, how, these
> functions are translated in Poseray towards POV-Ray. That would be for
> FlyerX to answer. Most of this particular information is embedded in the pz3
> or pzz file, and used in combination with the obj and mat files to generate
> the POV-Ray files.
>

That is my suspicion too.

> Remember what FlyerX answered to my comment on this in p.b.i.:
> My comment:
> > 3) Procedural textures: Procedural textures in Poser are only shown in
> > Poseray (and exported to POV-Ray) as pigments and finishes. This is
> > understandable as the procedural parameters used by Poser may not be
> > easily
> > translated into POV-Ray code. When using procedural textures in Poser,
> > best
> > is to find an equivalent POV-Ray texture and use that instead.
> FlyerX answered:
> I agree. Would be nice if Poser could bake and export its procedural
> textures. This and strand hair are features that makes Poser less
> portable to other applications.
>
> Thomas

What I will try to do is start with a plain colour and distress it, in
Pov-Ray with layers of procedural dirt.
Except for UV mapping I prefer to use Pov-Ray or more accurately Bishop3D
(at the moment).



Stephen


Post a reply to this message

From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: Combining Materials in Poser
Date: 28 Jun 2007 08:21:22
Message: <4683a7c2$1@news.povray.org>
"Stephen" <mcavoys_AT_aolDOT.com> schreef in bericht 
news:web.4683a3a94575884c4e49fa40@news.povray.org...
>
> What I will try to do is start with a plain colour and distress it, in
> Pov-Ray with layers of procedural dirt.
> Except for UV mapping I prefer to use Pov-Ray or more accurately Bishop3D
> (at the moment).
>

That should work indeed. If necessary, you can always do some basic uv 
mapping in Poseray.

Thomas


Post a reply to this message

From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Combining Materials in Poser
Date: 28 Jun 2007 08:25:02
Message: <web.4683a86f4575884c4e49fa40@news.povray.org>
"Thomas de Groot" <t.d### [at] internlDOTnet> wrote:

> I think that highlighting *all* the surfaces of the model and assign them a
> single texture will do the trick, if as you say the model consist of one
> mesh with three textures. If you want to uv map that texture, then you will
> need to unwrap the mesh. My experience with Wings for that is not
> conclusive, but since I discovered the new ability in the beta of Silo, this
> is working fantastically. Other free stuff that do the job (they say) would
> be UVMapper, but I have no real experience with that.
>
> Thomas

Well it was a bit more complicated than I said. There were 4 materials but I
wanted to keep the waistband as it was and only combine the two parts of the
skirt and hem. I managed to do it by creating a new material then and moving
the meshes of the old materials to it. Then deleting the old materials.
I will start off simply using a plane texture, KISS :-)

Stephen


Post a reply to this message

From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Combining Materials in Poser
Date: 30 Jun 2007 06:59:26
Message: <8chc835pvlptqs7lkp3umqiqo6jep8h3ju@4ax.com>
On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 14:07:57 EDT, "Tom York" <alp### [at] zubenelgenubi34spcom>
wrote:

>I think you can also choose a different mouse setup if you don't like the
>default. There's an option in the edit menu->preferences->camera.
>
Thanks Tom.

Regards
	Stephen


Post a reply to this message

<<< Previous 6 Messages Goto Initial 10 Messages

Copyright 2003-2021 Persistence of Vision Raytracer Pty. Ltd.