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From: Bald Eagle
Subject: "Why the moon landings could never have been faked" - excellent video
Date: 3 Nov 2014 10:45:01
Message: <web.5457a1ceb25a944b5e7df57c0@news.povray.org>
Just thought it would be an interesting video to watch for the folks who know
about lighting and shadows and perspective.

http://gizmodo.com/5977205/why-the-moon-landings-could-have-never-ever-been-faked-the-definitive-proof


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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: "Why the moon landings could never have been faked" - excellent video
Date: 4 Nov 2014 03:32:19
Message: <54588f13$1@news.povray.org>
Nice! However, he missed the point entirely, because - since we have 
witnessed Wallace and Groomit on the Moon - we /know/ for certain that 
the Moon is made of cheese. I am not convinced, no sir.

To add to this, in the months following the so-called Moon landings, the 
price of cheese, especially Wensleydale, dropped significantly.

Thomas


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: "Why the moon landings could never have been faked" - excellent video
Date: 5 Nov 2014 15:21:13
Message: <545a86b9$1@news.povray.org>
On 03/11/2014 15:39, Bald Eagle wrote:
> Just thought it would be an interesting video to watch for the folks who know
> about lighting and shadows and perspective.
>
>
http://gizmodo.com/5977205/why-the-moon-landings-could-have-never-ever-been-faked-the-definitive-proof
>

Thank you for posting the link. I really enjoyed it. I loved his 
comment. (paraphrased)

If they haven’t lied to you today [your government], maybe they haven’t 
had coffee yet.

-- 

Regards
     Stephen


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From: Bald Eagle
Subject: Re: "Why the moon landings could never have been faked" - excellent video
Date: 5 Nov 2014 16:00:01
Message: <web.545a8f99dd64a2065e7df57c0@news.povray.org>
Stephen <mca### [at] aolcom> wrote:

> Thank you for posting the link. I really enjoyed it. I loved his
> comment. (paraphrased)
>
> If they haven't lied to you today [your government], maybe they haven't
> had coffee yet.

>      Stephen

Right-o.  Yesterday was Election Day, I stood at the polls, and I'm avoiding
seeing the results for NH. I don't post any political stuff here, because I'm
WAY too passionate about all that, and I have other more appropriate venues for
expressing my opinions ...  and disgust.  ;)


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: "Why the moon landings could never have been faked" - excellent video
Date: 5 Nov 2014 16:54:31
Message: <545a9c97$1@news.povray.org>
On 05/11/2014 20:59, Bald Eagle wrote:
> Stephen <mca### [at] aolcom> wrote:
>
>> Thank you for posting the link. I really enjoyed it. I loved his
>> comment. (paraphrased)
>>
>> If they haven't lied to you today [your government], maybe they haven't
>> had coffee yet.
>
>>       Stephen
>
> Right-o.  Yesterday was Election Day, I stood at the polls, and I'm avoiding
> seeing the results for NH. I don't post any political stuff here, because I'm
> WAY too passionate about all that, and I have other more appropriate venues for
> expressing my opinions ...  and disgust.  ;)
>

Well I am going to quote that saying until I hear a better one. ;-)
You are right this is not the place for that. So all I will say is 
Hurrah! New Hampshire and Boo! the rest of the states.
Not that I am biased, mind you. ;-)

-- 

Regards
     Stephen


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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: "Why the moon landings could never have been faked" - excellent video
Date: 6 Nov 2014 03:40:27
Message: <545b33fb$1@news.povray.org>
[start anecdotic rambling of an old man]

In July 1969 I was on fieldwork in Southern France. I remember like the 
day of yesterday how our team was stretched out in a dry river bed at 
night (with some booze) looking up at the Moon and marvelling about the 
fact that men were walking there overhead. It was a truly magical moment.

Later, back home, the lady from whom I hired my student's lodgings, told 
me that she did not believe at all that the Moon landing had taken 
place. She thought it was all propaganda.

[end anecdotic rambling of an old man]

Thomas


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From: Bald Eagle
Subject: Re: "Why the moon landings could never have been faked" - excellent video
Date: 6 Nov 2014 10:10:01
Message: <web.545b8edcdd64a2065e7df57c0@news.povray.org>
RGB color and elections.
Sounded  like a good tangent for the POV-Ray off-topic area...

http://www.fastcodesign.com/3035951/the-glaring-design-flaw-in-us-election-maps

Sadly, somehow, someone needs to "study election maps" at the university level
to accomplish what any grammar school kids could accomplish on a V-Tech tablet
in 5 minutes....

I'd also say that it's less of an accomplishment than an exposure of the
obfuscatory methods by which the media presents data.  I mean, they weren't
lying, or lying by omission - because the data WAS presented...


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From: Warp
Subject: Re: "Why the moon landings could never have been faked" - excellent video
Date: 6 Nov 2014 10:40:11
Message: <545b965b@news.povray.org>
Thomas de Groot <tho### [at] degrootorg> wrote:
> In July 1969 I was on fieldwork in Southern France. I remember like the 
> day of yesterday how our team was stretched out in a dry river bed at 
> night (with some booze) looking up at the Moon and marvelling about the 
> fact that men were walking there overhead. It was a truly magical moment.

Btw, this is closely related to one of the reasons why I consider
conspiracy theorists to be such huge assholes.

The Apollo missions are a true marvel, one of the greatest achievements
of humankind in recent history. We can all admire in awe both our
technological progress and the courage of the men who put their lives
at risk to go beyond anything we had done before.

Then these conspiratards come and destroy people's childhood awe and
admiration by deceiving them, lying to them and using all the tricks
in the book to make them believe in falsities. They are crushing people's
childhoods and dreams with lies and deception. The people who once admired
those achievements end up feeling disillusioned and defrauded. They are
being lied to, but not by NASA. By those conspiratards.

The sad thing is how effective the techniques are that conspiracy theorists
use to convince people. It's like a religion. Once you become converted,
it's really, really hard to deconvert you, to make you see that you are
believing a lie, and that your original views are, in fact, the actual
truth.

-- 
                                                          - Warp


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: "Why the moon landings could never have been faked" - excellent video
Date: 6 Nov 2014 10:55:46
Message: <545b9a02$1@news.povray.org>
On 06/11/2014 15:08, Bald Eagle wrote:
> RGB color and elections.
> Sounded  like a good tangent for the POV-Ray off-topic area...
>
> http://www.fastcodesign.com/3035951/the-glaring-design-flaw-in-us-election-maps
>
> Sadly, somehow, someone needs to "study election maps" at the university level
> to accomplish what any grammar school kids could accomplish on a V-Tech tablet
> in 5 minutes....
>
> I'd also say that it's less of an accomplishment than an exposure of the
> obfuscatory methods by which the media presents data.  I mean, they weren't
> lying, or lying by omission - because the data WAS presented...
>
>

Coincidentally In the "POV-Ray is getting some bad press over some 
Intel-compiler shenanigans." thread in P.general. The journalist swapped 
the colours for patched and original on the two graphs. Which in my 
opinion is misleading. But then I take everything that the media says 
and writes with a pinch of salt. One of the many jobs I've had was a 
techy one on a UK newspaper. Thick as mince most of these journos

-- 

Regards
     Stephen


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: "Why the moon landings could never have been faked" - excellent video
Date: 6 Nov 2014 11:00:49
Message: <545b9b31$1@news.povray.org>
On 06/11/2014 15:40, Warp wrote:
> Btw, this is closely related to one of the reasons why I consider
> conspiracy theorists to be such huge assholes.

I am with you on that.

May I use a West Coast Scottish phrase that I think describes them.


Rude Warning below.


































They are as thick as sh!te in the neck of a bottle.

-- 

Regards
     Stephen


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