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From: alphaQuad
Subject: Just Words (and the 1st amendment)
Date: 22 Apr 2008 14:15:01
Message: <web.480e2aadb62ed521c5f6b98e0@news.povray.org>
Howlin' at the Moon
So magnificent the reality!
What will it take for its inhabitants to love and respect?

1} Gives
2} Responds
3} Respects
4} Knows
5} Has the humility to be intimate
6} Has courage to make a commitment
7} Love cares
And for specific reasons, to provide...
1} Safety and security
2} Pleasure
3} Honesty and the ability to be vulnerable
4} Trust
5} Reduced fear of loss
6} Intimacy and caring
7} Wonder of being known


they cannot feel it. They never have and never will.

"If we could sniff or swallow something that would, for five or six hours each
day, abolish our solitude as individuals, atone us with our fellows in a
glowing exaltation of affection and make life in all its aspects seem not only
worth living, but divinely beautiful and significant, and if this heavenly,
world-transfiguring drug were of such a kind that we could wake up next morning
with a clear head and an undamaged constitution-then, it seems to me, all our
problems (and not merely the one small problem of discovering a novel pleasure)
would be wholly solved and earth would become paradise." Aldous Huxley 1894 -
1963 R.I.P


were raped by legislation for personal gain, for the spoils of war, for the very
violence of war, and for the dark-soul nourishing fear it generates.

Instead we have a Jewish born DEA profit jubilee called the Drug War. Steal
their drugs and torture them. Sell the drugs and begin again, no startup cost.
Outsource the incarceration and put it on the freaking stock market!

We have sulfide and fluoride pharmaceutical hell, and not even appropriate
medicine for something as simple as a headache while greed runs rampant.
Someone needs to be bitch-slapped.

As bizarrely weird and ignorant as it is magnificent, did I mention apathetic
and irresponsible? Yes I think I did, oh yes.

It would bug me to hear about something I could never know also. Jesus thought
he could teach "them" to love and look at what "they" did to him. (Directed by
Mel Gibson) No more than you could get a rock to grow by watering. It hasn't
the capacity.


or has been, PREDOMINATELY Jewish, does not mean all Jewish people (for
Christ's sake). Dark and clueless was Adolph.

So you can cancel that bigotry and wake the hell up. She has Jewish blood and a

teach people to love? DUH.

It comes down to jealously and hatred. "Someone is using a drug I don't use,
therefore I want them arrested, tortured even better. Someone having fun when I
CANNOT, I don't like that."

Now for the blind idiots that want to argue Drug War to keep kids off drugs, you
are flibbin twits. States with medical marijuana have seen teen use decline.
Explanation not included, wouldn't do any good anyway. And they would NOT HAVE


don't matter. MONEY is god here and we can afford to lose your melon balls.

Do you think parents have anything to do with the way their kids turn out? Let
me put it another way. Does the sun come up in the daylight?


HOWLING to the satisfaction of darkness, but never to its love and joy. That is
reserved for me. I give no fear, extermination a better idea. Do I show a flea
mercy? Be gone I say.

Whether it is the death squads of the thirties or today's "gangs", they are not
*the* problem but a side effect of anti-freedom, profiteering, lame ass,
greedy, stuck on stupid, Jewish government. They are the people who have had
enough of the bullshit and really have no choice but to fight back, even to
their own death.


take anymore.


Most these prohibitionists are just selfish, egotistical (antonym altruistic),
narcissistic hypocrites. They support prohibition and can diatribe endlessly on
the pitfalls of drugs and then smoke cigarettes, drink alcohol (a brain damaging
laboratory solvent) or take pharmaceutical poisons such as fluorides and
sulfides. The remainder are just brain damaged from the birth canal.

Then there are the few I know with heart, such a joy be with them, laugh with
them and use the ladder with them. The rest of you well, where I go and where I
can be right now, you will never exist. Now that's a plan.


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From: Patrick Elliott
Subject: Re: Just Words (and the 1st amendment)
Date: 22 Apr 2008 17:59:54
Message: <MPG.22780dc7d165846a98a148@news.povray.org>
Holly!! Sorry everyone, one of the, "I can't say something in less than 
2,000 rambling words and barely coherent ranting.", people must have 
followed me from Pharyngula or something... lol Or, maybe its not my 
fault and this guy just showed up...

Anyone that doesn't think that *for some people* religion, since he does 
bring it up, if not as constantly and absurdly as some, isn't a mental 
illness (or at least strongly correlates with it), just needs to read a 
few of these kinds of letters. One guy managed to post literally 80k of 
this kind of stuff, though actually worse, and with lots of "God will 
punish the sinners that can't comprehend the spaghetti meatballs I am 
driving!", type insanity mixed in, into a comment, not including what 
might have been cut off, since the clown actually *tried* to post part 
of the message in the "topic" field of the blog post...

Even if you could agree with some point this guy tried to make, what 
ever any of them where, like the whole stupidity of the Drug War, 
everything else is dripping with antisemitism (just babbling that some 
Jews are not part of the conspiracy doesn't make the claim that *they* 
created it any less bigoted, not to mention unfounded and insane), 
irrational projections of evil conspiracies, rambling idiocy, and other 
nutso stuff. I feel sorry for the fact that what ever meds he "thought" 
he needed are gone, but Yipes!!, at least keep taking the anti-
psychotics...

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From: alphaQuad
Subject: Re: Just Words (and the 1st amendment)
Date: 23 Apr 2008 00:10:00
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Patrick Elliott <sel### [at] rraznet> wrote:
> Holly!! Sorry everyone, one of the, "I can't say something in less than
> 2,000 rambling words and barely coherent ranting.", people must have
> followed me from Pharyngula or something... lol Or, maybe its not my
> fault and this guy just showed up...
>
> Anyone that doesn't think that *for some people* religion, since he does
> bring it up, if not as constantly and absurdly as some, isn't a mental
> illness (or at least strongly correlates with it), just needs to read a
> few of these kinds of letters. One guy managed to post literally 80k of
> this kind of stuff, though actually worse, and with lots of "God will
> punish the sinners that can't comprehend the spaghetti meatballs I am
> driving!", type insanity mixed in, into a comment, not including what
> might have been cut off, since the clown actually *tried* to post part
> of the message in the "topic" field of the blog post...
>
> Even if you could agree with some point this guy tried to make, what
> ever any of them where, like the whole stupidity of the Drug War,
> everything else is dripping with antisemitism (just babbling that some
> Jews are not part of the conspiracy doesn't make the claim that *they*
> created it any less bigoted, not to mention unfounded and insane),
> irrational projections of evil conspiracies, rambling idiocy, and other
> nutso stuff. I feel sorry for the fact that what ever meds he "thought"
> he needed are gone, but Yipes!!, at least keep taking the anti-
> psychotics...
>
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Patrick Elliot,
Good to see you in here.

You are no more responsible for me than I am for what you represent. You know
that. Condescending to use such conjecture. You become disproportionably small
by the act of using deception like stage magic smoke. If you were a real
magician you'd have more than insulting commentary in your tool belt. Perhaps
it was you that got tracked in on someone's shoe and not me. Exactly the kind
of tactics I'd expect in public places. Excellent, its on drivel boy lets see
what you got.

aQ


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From: alphaQuad
Subject: Re: Just Words (and the 1st amendment)
Date: 23 Apr 2008 02:20:01
Message: <web.480ed41c3e01513ed1f088050@news.povray.org>
Civilized people discuss the issues not vainly attempt to throw discrediting
insults like a childish pre-election ad campaign.

Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, the ancient Greek philosopher Socrates taught
his students that the pursuit of truth could only begin once they start to
question and analyze every belief that they ever held dear. If a certain belief
passes the tests of evidence, deduction, and logic, it should be kept. If it
doesn't, the belief should not only be discarded, but the thinker must also
then question why he was led to believe the erroneous information in the first
place. Not surprisingly, this type of teaching didn't sit well with the ruling
elite of Greece. Many political leaders throughout history have always sought
to mislead the thinking of the masses. Socrates was tried for "subversion" and
for "corrupting the youth". He was then forced to take his own life by drinking
poison. It's never easy being an independent thinker!

Today, our ruling government/media complex doesn't kill people for pursuing the
truth about the world (at least not yet!) They simply label them as
"extremists" or "paranoid", destroying careers and reputations in the process.

Now in this case it was the very same tactic of attempting to label someone with
the same agenda of discrediting, a very old tactic indeed.

Now we know with what kind of individual we are dealing.


Pick something you understand. Argue for or against it. Give you supporting
evidence. If you don't understand something you query it for more info.

If you are threatened by something you wont do those civilized things.
My point exactly. Instead you will try to confuse the issue anyway possible.
You wont focus on anything in particular but muddy waters as much as possible.

Kind of like what the guy, (some guy from mars you infer with that kind of
language) has done already.

Oh the darkness in people is incomprehensible to me.

How many executions have you witnessed?
How many innocent people will be tortured before we all take a stand, or will we
ever?
Responsibility means the ability to respond. Can you not hear them, at night
when you sleep or are you too soulless to be able to hear or to even care?


Whatever "the guy" has to say this should be enough to discover "Patrick
Elliott". Slamming tactics in response to belief threatening ideas is what?

Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeak
and about as old as the hills and twice as dusty. Can you be any more boring and
predictable Patty?


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From: Mike Raiford
Subject: Re: Just Words (and the 1st amendment)
Date: 23 Apr 2008 08:07:44
Message: <480f2690$1@news.povray.org>
Patrick Elliott wrote:
> Even if you could agree with some point this guy tried to make, what 
> ever any of them where, like the whole stupidity of the Drug War, 
> everything else is dripping with antisemitism (just babbling that some 
> Jews are not part of the conspiracy doesn't make the claim that *they* 
> created it any less bigoted, not to mention unfounded and insane), 

Jesus was Jewish ...

> irrational projections of evil conspiracies, rambling idiocy, and other 
> nutso stuff. I feel sorry for the fact that what ever meds he "thought" 
> he needed are gone, but Yipes!!, at least keep taking the anti-
> psychotics...

I didn't read the whole incoherent mess, but aren't these the very drugs 
the OP is speaking out against.

What do you do if you're paranoid schizophrenic and your paranoia leads 
you to believe the very drugs to control your condition are part of some 
government conspiracy?


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From: Phil Cook
Subject: Re: Just Words (and the 1st amendment)
Date: 23 Apr 2008 09:58:31
Message: <op.t92g4clyc3xi7v@news.povray.org>
And lo on Wed, 23 Apr 2008 13:01:30 +0100, Mike Raiford  
<mra### [at] hotmailcom> did spake, saying:

> Patrick Elliott wrote:
>> Even if you could agree with some point this guy tried to make, what  
>> ever any of them where, like the whole stupidity of the Drug War,  
>> everything else is dripping with antisemitism (just babbling that some  
>> Jews are not part of the conspiracy doesn't make the claim that *they*  
>> created it any less bigoted, not to mention unfounded and insane),
>
> Jesus was Jewish ...

I thought he was a Himselfian?

>> irrational projections of evil conspiracies, rambling idiocy, and other  
>> nutso stuff. I feel sorry for the fact that what ever meds he "thought"  
>> he needed are gone, but Yipes!!, at least keep taking the anti-
>> psychotics...
>
> I didn't read the whole incoherent mess, but aren't these the very drugs  
> the OP is speaking out against.

Due to our new broadband provider seeming to take longer to read NNTP then  
my dial-up and Opera not caching the posts, the 407KB post deterred me  
 from re-reading it.

> What do you do if you're paranoid schizophrenic and your paranoia leads  
> you to believe the very drugs to control your condition are part of some  
> government conspiracy?

Duh you stop taking the drugs. Why would you even need to ask; are you one  
of 'them'?

-- 
Phil Cook

--
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From: Patrick Elliott
Subject: Re: Just Words (and the 1st amendment)
Date: 23 Apr 2008 20:56:04
Message: <MPG.2279886ff262b8e798a149@news.povray.org>
In article <480f2690$1@news.povray.org>, mra### [at] hotmailcom says...
> Patrick Elliott wrote:
> > Even if you could agree with some point this guy tried to make, what 
> > ever any of them where, like the whole stupidity of the Drug War, 
> > everything else is dripping with antisemitism (just babbling that some
 
> > Jews are not part of the conspiracy doesn't make the claim that *they*
 
> > created it any less bigoted, not to mention unfounded and insane), 
> 
> Jesus was Jewish ...
> 
What!! Don't you know he was Christian, and white, and born circumcised, 
and umm... lol

> > irrational projections of evil conspiracies, rambling idiocy, and other
 
> > nutso stuff. I feel sorry for the fact that what ever meds he "thought"
 
> > he needed are gone, but Yipes!!, at least keep taking the anti-
> > psychotics...
> 
> I didn't read the whole incoherent mess, but aren't these the very drugs
 
> the OP is speaking out against.
> 
> What do you do if you're paranoid schizophrenic and your paranoia leads
 
> you to believe the very drugs to control your condition are part of some
 
> government conspiracy?
> 
Yeah. You have a point. I am not sure though if he was complaining that 
they wouldn't give him the drugs, or that they are forcing him to take 
them, or maybe space aliens stoled them, or something..

My suggestion, don't bother reading the whole incoherent mess. This is 
the quality of stuff we get on Pharyngula, or in PZ's mail box from the 
creationist defenders, on Denialism from... well, just about everyone 
from anti-pharma, to anti-nuke, to pro-PETA, to you name it, and lots of 
other places. Once in a while PZ, or one of the others, posts one under 
some variation of the title, "I get email". Read too much of it and your 
IQ will drop 50 points, your eyes and ears will start bleeding, and 
*you* will be the one in need of medication. The only difference I can 
seem to see from the right's nuts and the left's, with respect to this 
sort of incomprehensible gibberish, is that the left doesn't have 
political positions, like priesthoods, to put ours in. ;) lol

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