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On 3/19/2017 2:02 AM, Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Fri, 17 Mar 2017 17:28:03 -0400, dick balaska wrote:
>
>> fantastic lying narcissist
>
> Well, let's be honest here; Trump sucks at lying. People just don't give
> a shit.
>
>
>
More than that. The Republican party is putting a lot of effort in
actively shielding him. He will never face any consequences for his
lying as long as they are protecting him like they are doing.
Mike
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On 3/19/2017 1:55 AM, Jim Henderson wrote:
> I kinda agree. Cultural appropriation is something to be aware of, but
> the 'melting pot' that is the US means that we blend stuff together - and
> as Bill Maher pointed out a few weeks ago, we need to stop apologizing on
> the left for 'stupid shit'. I don't always agree with Maher, and he gets
> a lot of things wrong (such as his stance on the first amendment - it's
> colored by being pushed off the air with "Politically Incorrect" after
> people boycotted advertisers - he doesn't understand that the boycott
> *was* a first amendment expression relating to freedom of association.
> The first amendment doesn't give him the right to an audience or the
> right to a TV show - or the right to social consequences for saying
> things people don't like), but I do like that he says what he wants to
> say, and doesn't care what people think. Sometimes he's a schmuck when
> he does that. A lot of times he's not.
>
I think you're confusing "right" with "entitlement". He certainly has a
_right_ to an audience, TV show, etc. etc. But he's not _entitled_ to
have one.
Mike
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On Sun, 19 Mar 2017 08:10:04 +0000, Stephen wrote:
> On 3/19/2017 6:02 AM, Jim Henderson wrote:
>> On Fri, 17 Mar 2017 15:10:35 +0000, Stephen wrote:
>>
>>> On 3/17/2017 2:40 PM, clipka wrote:
>>>> Am 17.03.2017 um 10:48 schrieb Stephen:
>>>>
>>>>> And I see Jim has ninja'd me on the Abraham Lincoln solution.
>>>>
>>>> That ninja must've ninja'd you pretty good, if you mistook him for
>>>> Jim ;)
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Oh! I don't know. Jim Henderson moves silently and swiftly and dresses
>>> in blue.
>>
>> Actually, mostly in black. It's that ninja thing. The slightly
>> overweight ninja.
>>
>>
> Hollywood myth. Black is the colour of stagehands in Noh theatre. It is
> a convention that you do not see anyone dressed in black.
You're not supposed to tell people that - that's a secret, like it
doesn't *really* rain all the time in Seattle...
Whoops.
>> Though arguably, blue is a good colour on me. So I'm told. ;)
>>
>>
> Probably set off by your blue blood. ;
My eyes, actually. ;)
--
"I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and
besides, the pig likes it." - George Bernard Shaw
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On Sun, 19 Mar 2017 08:29:35 +0000, Stephen wrote:
> On 3/19/2017 6:00 AM, Jim Henderson wrote:
>> On Fri, 17 Mar 2017 14:26:37 -0400, dick balaska wrote:
>>
>>> I am very disappointed with my generation. As a teen in the 70s, we
>>> had the most freedom of any generation of kids *ever*. And we turned
>>> that into being the worst overprotective helicopter parents.
>>
>> Indeed - I was a teen in the 80s, but I feel the same way. I was
>> talking to someone at a brewery this evening who it turned out grew up
>> not far from where I did in Minnesota at about the same time -
>> remembering that during the non-winter months, we might have ridden our
>> bikes to school, even though it was *gasp* a couple miles away. Today,
>> parents are sometimes accused of *child abuse* for allowing their kids
>> that kind of freedom.
>>
>> It's fucking stupid.
>>
>>
> It's not just stupid it is unkind. For the reasons you mention.
Yep. I might have strong opinions about this subject.
> I used to walk the two miles to school when the weather permitted.
> Otherwise I had to take two buses which took as long as walking. The
> upside was that I would have saved half a crown, 2/6 or or 12·5p.
For me in high school, it was about a half mile to get to the bus, which
then took me about 4 miles to the school. I'd occasionally walk it or
bike it (the latter rarely), but in the winter, my dad would drive me to
the bus stop - it got extremely cold where I grew up.
>> How do we expect our kids to be sane in today's world if they aren't
>> allowed to take risks and if they aren't allowed to fail? I fear for
>> an entire generation of people who are given "achievement awards" that
>> are really "participation awards" because everyone has to feel like a
>> winner - and then they get their first job, fuck up *really badly* and
>> get fired for it. How do you cope with something like that if you
>> never learned as a kid how to?
>>
>>
> I agree with that too.
> Life is no bed of roses.
Indeed.
>> Some will go out, get a gun, return to the workplace, and shoot a bunch
>> of people - probably before shooting themselves.
>>
>>
> If only they would do the latter first. O lot of problems would be non
> events. It is the same with some fathers who kill their own family
> before killing themselves.
Part of me agrees, but part of me thinks that it's not their fault they
were never taught how to cope with life. At the same time, I know people
who are the product of that kind of upbringing who recognize how screwed
up it was and have worked hard to overcome it. Everyone copes
differently - it's when harming others comes into it that things get ugly
and messy.
>> It's pretty obviously not a good thing for mental health. Everyone
>> needs to learn how to fail with grace - and that failure is often a
>> great teacher.
>>
> Can you imagine the hoo ha if that were to be introduced into school
> syllabuses?
I can. When I interview people, I ask questions I know they can't answer
(I'll withhold key information, typically) because how you respond to
that kind of situation is really important to being successful.
Jim
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"I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and
besides, the pig likes it." - George Bernard Shaw
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On Sun, 19 Mar 2017 11:53:00 -0400, Mike Horvath wrote:
> On 3/19/2017 2:02 AM, Jim Henderson wrote:
>> On Fri, 17 Mar 2017 17:28:03 -0400, dick balaska wrote:
>>
>>> fantastic lying narcissist
>>
>> Well, let's be honest here; Trump sucks at lying. People just don't
>> give a shit.
>>
>>
>>
>>
> More than that. The Republican party is putting a lot of effort in
> actively shielding him. He will never face any consequences for his
> lying as long as they are protecting him like they are doing.
I fear you may be correct about this.
--
"I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and
besides, the pig likes it." - George Bernard Shaw
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On Sun, 19 Mar 2017 12:58:06 -0400, Mike Horvath wrote:
> On 3/19/2017 1:55 AM, Jim Henderson wrote:
>> I kinda agree. Cultural appropriation is something to be aware of, but
>> the 'melting pot' that is the US means that we blend stuff together -
>> and as Bill Maher pointed out a few weeks ago, we need to stop
>> apologizing on the left for 'stupid shit'. I don't always agree with
>> Maher, and he gets a lot of things wrong (such as his stance on the
>> first amendment - it's colored by being pushed off the air with
>> "Politically Incorrect" after people boycotted advertisers - he doesn't
>> understand that the boycott *was* a first amendment expression relating
>> to freedom of association. The first amendment doesn't give him the
>> right to an audience or the right to a TV show - or the right to social
>> consequences for saying things people don't like), but I do like that
>> he says what he wants to say, and doesn't care what people think.
>> Sometimes he's a schmuck when he does that. A lot of times he's not.
>>
>>
> I think you're confusing "right" with "entitlement". He certainly has a
> _right_ to an audience, TV show, etc. etc. But he's not _entitled_ to
> have one.
I don't think I am confusing those two things, but I do see the
distinction you're making. I might have to give that more thought.
The reason I'm not sure is because the first amendment doesn't take away
people's right to decide if they want to listen to someone. In fact,
quite the opposite, it gives the prospective audience the right to decide
"I don't want to be associated with that speech or that group of people".
--
"I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and
besides, the pig likes it." - George Bernard Shaw
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On 3/19/2017 10:07 PM, Jim Henderson wrote:
>>> Some will go out, get a gun, return to the workplace, and shoot a bunch
>>> >>of people - probably before shooting themselves.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>> >If only they would do the latter first. O lot of problems would be non
>> >events. It is the same with some fathers who kill their own family
>> >before killing themselves.
> Part of me agrees, but part of me thinks that it's not their fault they
> were never taught how to cope with life.
I don't know about teaching. Helping people to cope with life, yes.
I don't see it as a "one size fits all". Everyone is different and react
to different situations, differently.
> At the same time, I know people
> who are the product of that kind of upbringing who recognize how screwed
> up it was and have worked hard to overcome it. Everyone copes
> differently - it's when harming others comes into it that things get ugly
> and messy.
>
Yes, it is the harming others that is the problem. IMO.
>>> >>It's pretty obviously not a good thing for mental health. Everyone
>>> >>needs to learn how to fail with grace - and that failure is often a
>>> >>great teacher.
>>> >>
>> >Can you imagine the hoo ha if that were to be introduced into school
>> >syllabuses?
> I can. When I interview people, I ask questions I know they can't answer
> (I'll withhold key information, typically) because how you respond to
> that kind of situation is really important to being successful.
I'm sure you do it sympathetically. Sometimes the best answer is "I
don't know. I would have to research it and get back to you.
I remember one interview I had where the technical guy asked me where in
the db to put the customer's name and address. I gave him three obvious
and best working practice answers. Each time he said that's not how they
did it. So I mentioned a couple of bespoke solutions then finally
thanked them for their time and said that I had enough information to
decide that I no longer wished to continue the interview.
Sometimes it is not a good idea to take every job that is offered.
--
Regards
Stephen
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On Mon, 20 Mar 2017 09:03:34 +0000, Stephen wrote:
> On 3/19/2017 10:07 PM, Jim Henderson wrote:
>>>> Some will go out, get a gun, return to the workplace, and shoot a
>>>> bunch
>>>> >>of people - probably before shooting themselves.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>> >If only they would do the latter first. O lot of problems would be
>>> >non events. It is the same with some fathers who kill their own
>>> >family before killing themselves.
>> Part of me agrees, but part of me thinks that it's not their fault they
>> were never taught how to cope with life.
>
> I don't know about teaching. Helping people to cope with life, yes.
Well, maybe not so much about teaching, but about learning - and everyone
learns in different ways. Sign of a good teacher is one who understands
that and can adapt.
> I don't see it as a "one size fits all". Everyone is different and react
> to different situations, differently.
True. I don't mean to suggest anything differently than that - but
everyone should learn some baseline coping skills for what to do when you
fail, because failure is a big part of life.
>> At the same time, I know people who are the product of that kind of
>> upbringing who recognize how screwed up it was and have worked hard to
>> overcome it. Everyone copes differently - it's when harming others
>> comes into it that things get ugly and messy.
>>
>>
> Yes, it is the harming others that is the problem. IMO.
Indeed.
>>>> >>It's pretty obviously not a good thing for mental health. Everyone
>>>> >>needs to learn how to fail with grace - and that failure is often a
>>>> >>great teacher.
>>>> >>
>>> >Can you imagine the hoo ha if that were to be introduced into school
>>> >syllabuses?
>> I can. When I interview people, I ask questions I know they can't
>> answer (I'll withhold key information, typically) because how you
>> respond to that kind of situation is really important to being
>> successful.
>
> I'm sure you do it sympathetically. Sometimes the best answer is "I
> don't know. I would have to research it and get back to you.
That's exactly the type of answer I'm looking for - or for the scenario
to lead to a discussion about the types of information they're looking
for (since it's my scenario, I can answer those questions - so it can
become a bit of role-play).
> I remember one interview I had where the technical guy asked me where in
> the db to put the customer's name and address. I gave him three obvious
> and best working practice answers. Each time he said that's not how they
> did it. So I mentioned a couple of bespoke solutions then finally
> thanked them for their time and said that I had enough information to
> decide that I no longer wished to continue the interview.
> Sometimes it is not a good idea to take every job that is offered.
That's certainly true. Over the past couple of months, I've actually had
a few interviews (one was pretty promising, actually - but I withdrew
because of a change at work; I didn't feel it was right to continue to
interview when I took a new position where I currently am - not fair to
anyone for me to leave a few weeks after taking on new responsibilities -
and stuff I'm excited to be doing).
Job interviews are very much a two-way street.
--
"I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and
besides, the pig likes it." - George Bernard Shaw
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On 3/20/2017 3:58 PM, Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Mon, 20 Mar 2017 09:03:34 +0000, Stephen wrote:
>
>>
>> I don't know about teaching. Helping people to cope with life, yes.
>
> Well, maybe not so much about teaching, but about learning - and everyone
> learns in different ways. Sign of a good teacher is one who understands
> that and can adapt.
>
There is such a thing as a good teacher?
Well maybe I did not go to the best sort of school. So have no experience.
>> I don't see it as a "one size fits all". Everyone is different and react
>> to different situations, differently.
>
> True. I don't mean to suggest anything differently than that - but
> everyone should learn some baseline coping skills for what to do when you
> fail, because failure is a big part of life.
>
Failing in a safe environment is a good way to learn. At least for me.
>>
>> I'm sure you do it sympathetically. Sometimes the best answer is "I
>> don't know. I would have to research it and get back to you.
>
> That's exactly the type of answer I'm looking for - or for the scenario
> to lead to a discussion about the types of information they're looking
> for (since it's my scenario, I can answer those questions - so it can
> become a bit of role-play).
>
Honesty is really the best policy.
>> I remember one interview I had where the technical guy asked me where in
>> the db to put the customer's name and address. I gave him three obvious
>> and best working practice answers. Each time he said that's not how they
>> did it. So I mentioned a couple of bespoke solutions then finally
>> thanked them for their time and said that I had enough information to
>> decide that I no longer wished to continue the interview.
>> Sometimes it is not a good idea to take every job that is offered.
>
> That's certainly true. Over the past couple of months, I've actually had
> a few interviews (one was pretty promising, actually - but I withdrew
> because of a change at work; I didn't feel it was right to continue to
> interview when I took a new position where I currently am - not fair to
> anyone for me to leave a few weeks after taking on new responsibilities -
> and stuff I'm excited to be doing).
>
> Job interviews are very much a two-way street.
>
Indeed they should be. But sometimes the pressure makes people waffle.
--
Regards
Stephen
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On Mon, 20 Mar 2017 16:29:54 +0000, Stephen wrote:
> On 3/20/2017 3:58 PM, Jim Henderson wrote:
>> On Mon, 20 Mar 2017 09:03:34 +0000, Stephen wrote:
>
>>> I don't know about teaching. Helping people to cope with life, yes.
>>
>> Well, maybe not so much about teaching, but about learning - and
>> everyone learns in different ways. Sign of a good teacher is one who
>> understands that and can adapt.
>>
> There is such a thing as a good teacher?
Oh, yes, I had some great teachers - not just on subjects, but in life.
Two of the best about life, actually, were violin teachers I had.
One of them taught me the importance of seeing things from other peoples'
point of view, and how to do that especially when their POV was different
than yours.
> Well maybe I did not go to the best sort of school. So have no
> experience.
Sadly, that happens - but teachers aren't just the people who stand in
front of a class, either. Good role models also teach by modeling good
behaviour.
>>> I don't see it as a "one size fits all". Everyone is different and
>>> react to different situations, differently.
>>
>> True. I don't mean to suggest anything differently than that - but
>> everyone should learn some baseline coping skills for what to do when
>> you fail, because failure is a big part of life.
>>
>>
> Failing in a safe environment is a good way to learn. At least for me.
Yep, absolutely. Experience being what you got when you didn't get what
you wanted - that sort of thing.
>>> I'm sure you do it sympathetically. Sometimes the best answer is "I
>>> don't know. I would have to research it and get back to you.
>>
>> That's exactly the type of answer I'm looking for - or for the scenario
>> to lead to a discussion about the types of information they're looking
>> for (since it's my scenario, I can answer those questions - so it can
>> become a bit of role-play).
>>
>>
> Honesty is really the best policy.
Indeed it is - and that's what I want. It's easy to do interviews like
that when you are the SME - because being a SME makes it much easier to
smell out the bullshit.
> Indeed they should be. But sometimes the pressure makes people waffle.
Yeah. Especially if they think about what's on the line. After I got
laid off, interviewing was much harder because it was about paying the
bills - and I'm picky about who I'll interview with, too. Always have
been.
So when the outplacement service said I should be sending out something
like 50 CVs a week and scheduling 10 interviews a week - that's not
something that I see as sustainable, because you can't fake excitement
about a prospective job. When they ask you "why Microsoft" or "why
Amazon" or "why McDonald's" - the honest answer at that point is "why
not? You're one of 50 people I sent CVs to last week."
But when it's just two companies who are interested (as was the case for
me recently), I could honestly answer "I'm not actually looking - you
guys came to me, but the technology you work on interests me, so I
thought I'd see what you had to offer" - that's a much easier kind of
interview to have. I actually felt bad about withdrawing from one of the
two I recently was talking to - but new responsibilities with a broader
scope than what they offered, and without moving companies (meaning I
still work from home instead of having a 90-minute commute each way at
least 3 days a week) - staying where I am makes sense, even if they
offered more money. At some point, it isn't about the money - and it's
nice to be able to say that.
Jim
--
"I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and
besides, the pig likes it." - George Bernard Shaw
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