On 25/09/2014 00:21, Doctor John wrote:
> On 24/09/14 23:53, Stephen wrote:
>>
>> Stranger in a strange land.
>>
>
> Yay, Heinlein :-)
>

And Mike really did make good soup. :-)


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     Stephen

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On 24-9-2014 11:12, Saul Luizaga wrote:
everything interacts with everything, is simply obvious, Carl
> Sagan also noticed in his series Cosmos: In order to survive, Earth must
> be seen as a single organism, and an organism in war with itself is
> doomed, or somethings similar, Climate Change another fact proving this,
> so we're connected more than you think we do and most people are as
> shortsighted as you are.
>

Only, Carl Sagan got it wrong. The Earth is not at war with itself. The 
/Earth/ doesn't give a damn about the survival of /humans/ because that 
is what Carl Sagan implies in reality. It does what it has done for 
billions of years: evolve through constantly changing conditions, 
sometimes hot, sometimes cold, sometimes teeming with life, sometimes 
almost barren. If /one/ species (humans) suddenly (geologically 
speaking) make conditions unacceptable for them, that species just dies 
out and Earth goes on with business-as-usual. /That/ is the reality. 
What Carl Sagan said concerns Carl Sagan, and his fellow human beings.

Which does not mean we should do nothing, but we should not attribute 
human 'emotions' to a natural system.

Thomas

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Warp wrote:
> Saul Luizaga <sau### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
>> BTW, calling something obscure when it's not is an argument from
>> ignorance, something that scientist won't suppose to do, right?
>
> I don't think you even understand what "argument from ignorance" means.
>
> Did you pull a random fallacy name from your behind?
>
No, that's what you think, I don't think you understand the comcept neither.

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No, you're wrong and many people that write here write contradictions, 
fallacies, arguments from ignorance and when I point them out and demand 
mutual respect, I'm stubborn and insulting. I'm not the one that started 
with the threats, and I know what he meant and I wrote to him, that in 
person that would be a lot harder than he thinks, you don't want me 
pissed of on you, I'll probably do more damage than most people think is 
needed to be made.

You don't respect me, I'll tolerate little that attitude before I 
disrespect back, I don't care if that doesn't help make a better World, 
don't disrespect me, or face consequences, simple.

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I mean, depending on the type of disrespect, it it is physical I'll 
return in kind, and so on.

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If it wasn't serious, for sure wasn't indicated in anyway, and your 
fault is that that you thought I would understand it somehow even when 
you probably don't know where I'm from, and for my writing you should 
have deducted I'm not from UK/USA and not taken that ambiguous joke ahead.

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On 25/09/14 10:00, Saul Luizaga wrote:
> If it wasn't serious, for sure wasn't indicated in anyway, and your
> fault is that that you thought I would understand it somehow even when
> you probably don't know where I'm from, and for my writing you should
> have deducted I'm not from UK/USA and not taken that ambiguous joke ahead.

Of course we know where you're posting from. Just look at the headers in
your post and do a reverse DNS look-up.

In your header is NNTP-Posting-Host: 190.186.125.5 and a quick use of
the host command gives:
5.125.186.190.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer
dynamic-ip-adsl-190.186.125.5.cotas.com.bo.
So you are posting from Bolivia. Simples

John
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Protect the Earth
It was not given to you by your parents
You hold it in trust for your children

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Discuss if the case arrived on my posts, but mostly inform and I would 
discuss on other people's post of course, so if you don't jump to 
conclusions as you did, you can easily see that this is a possibility.

I'm not missing the target, that's what you think, the target is people 
that can read, write and think.

Oversimplifying and exaggerating are too ways to miss grossly to hit the 
point with precision, and therefore not efficient, efficiency what 
Nature tell us to be if possible 100% of the time, the path of least 
resistance and more direct interaction, we can see this on the evolved 
creatures, how they solved issues that engineers and scientists take as 
a lessons, so we should try for this and not the opposite, the best 
highlight is to be exact, at least to target intelligent people, IMO. As 
Einstein said: "explain simple, not simpler than that", or something 
similar.

I understand your points, you're simply wrong or misguided as I have 
pointed out if any. I'm using reason, and IMO good enough to explain my 
points in a clear, simple, with mutual respect and reasonable way, I 
haven't seen an indication by anyone of the contrary except for the 
insult which I reconsidered, and there will be closed-minded people that 
are not willing to accept that their "perfect little corner of the 
World" isn't such, so I'm not going to waste time in reaching 
unreasonable people, I made a mistake in giving Doctor John too much 
attention.

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On 25/09/2014 10:00, Saul Luizaga wrote:
> If it wasn't serious, for sure wasn't indicated in anyway, and your
> fault is that that you thought I would understand it somehow even when
> you probably don't know where I'm from, and for my writing you should
> have deducted I'm not from UK/USA and not taken that ambiguous joke ahead.

You are quite right and I apologise, unreservedly.
It was said in haste.

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Regards
     Stephen

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I thought about it, it took my 2 seconds, both are possibilities, for 
example a myth like religion is false, because better thinking and 
methods debunks it, that doesn't mean that the few atheist that were 
tortured/killed were crazy/wrong, it's about reasoning and seeing which 
is more probable, I have, and will as long as I can. I'm always glad 
about friendship that comes through, which I consider as true friendship.

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