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On Mon, 07 Apr 2014 19:06:49 +0100, Stephen wrote:
> On 07/04/2014 2:12 AM, Jim Henderson wrote:
>> 13.1 is a long term support release, so it won't need to be updated
>> after the end of the regular 18-month support cycle (other than being
>> pointed at the "Evergreen" repositories that make it an LTS release).
>>
>>
> Run that by me again. In English. :-P
openSUSE normal release cycle is 8 months (give or take). The policy is
to support current + last release, with a 2 month overlap for the
previous release. So, version 12.1 (for example) was supported until the
release of 12.3 + 2 months (18 months later).
LTS = Long Term Support. Means it's supported for longer than the normal
18-month support cycle.
>>> >Don't bother.
>> That bad, huh?
>>
>>
> No, but if you have the option...
>
> I don't want my PC/Laptop to pretend it is an android device.
Windows 8 is a poor substitute for Android. ;)
>>> >Enough moaning. I don't want to be an old fuddy duddy. Even though I
>>> >am.
>> I know the feeling. Not quite as fuddy or duddy, (you can have the
>> crown for fuddiness and for duddiness for now).
>
> I don't mind which castle I'm king of. :-)
LOL
> Actually, I play on the fact that I am old. That and the stereotypical
> Jock (means Scot for those other Americans) is a born enjineer. ;-)
> Hoots mon! Ye daena ken whit is wis like when 9600 baud wis state o' the
> art. ;-)
You play the role well. :)
>> I'm starting a new contract that runs through July 1 tomorrow,
>
> Congrats.
Thanks!
>> and the client is sending me a laptop - could be Windows, could be a
>> Mac. I can work with either (the company uses Macs almost
>> exclusively), but I definitely prefer running Linux on my systems.
>
> The last time I used or repaired a Mac was 20 years ago.
> A bit longer for Unix.
Last time I used a Mac for anything serious was when I was in high
school. I have some familiarity with OSX (I installed it in a VM so I
could just fiddle with it a bit and know a bit about it), but the tools
this client needs me to work with are mostly Windows apps.
*nix has changed a bit. You'd probably settle into Linux pretty easily,
though.
Jim
--
"I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and
besides, the pig likes it." - George Bernard Shaw
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On Mon, 07 Apr 2014 21:53:49 +0100, Orchid Win7 v1 wrote:
> When we updated all our stuff to OpenSUSE 12.2, we found that it comes
> with GNOME 3, which is basically just like GNOME 2, except designed to
> only work on a Tablet.
Well, no, that wasn't the design goal (as I understand it), but I use
GNOME3 daily, and I like its minimalistic approach.
The only thing I absolutely hate about it is when a plugin dies, it
crashes the entire session with an "Oh, no! Something happened!" and an
option to log out. I would at /least/ like to save documents I have open
before being forced to log out.
Whoever thought that was a good idea spent far too much time dealing with
systems where everything runs in ring 0 and an abend was generally
considered a good thing. We're past those days now, and being able to
recover, say, a running virtual machine might just be a /good/ thing.
Jim
--
"I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and
besides, the pig likes it." - George Bernard Shaw
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Le 07/04/2014 23:58, James Holsenback a écrit :
>
> have you tired KDE instead?
When Ubuntu moved to Gnome 3 (or was it Unity), I went to xfce, the
Xubuntu desktop.
Kde is nice, but it looks far too much like old W95. And I never get
multi-screen handling like I wanted.
I enjoyed Gnome 2, alas it is no more.
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Just because nobody complains does not mean all parachutes are perfect.
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Le 07/04/2014 23:48, nemesis a écrit :
> Got one these days for my daughter as well, a laptop. Most probably, the last
> desktop computing device I'm buying. I have consoles for games and do pretty
> much everything else on my android phone - of course, at work I still use a
> handy "mainframe".
>
> I long for the day when you just get home, connect it to a TV set and bluetooth
> input and is ready for "serious work". still not quite there, either in the
> software landscape or ease for connection (still kinda clunky, with wires and
> such)
>
>
It's coming... hdmi plug, small usb cable for powersupply (as long as
your tv as a usb port)
> http://linuxgizmos.com/hdmi-stick-mini-pc-runs-android-on-quad-core-arm-cortex-a9/
August 2013... the time has come!
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Just because nobody complains does not mean all parachutes are perfect.
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On 08/04/2014 01:55 AM, Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Mon, 07 Apr 2014 21:53:49 +0100, Orchid Win7 v1 wrote:
>
>> When we updated all our stuff to OpenSUSE 12.2, we found that it comes
>> with GNOME 3, which is basically just like GNOME 2, except designed to
>> only work on a Tablet.
>
> Well, no, that wasn't the design goal (as I understand it), but I use
> GNOME3 daily, and I like its minimalistic approach.
Heck, in OpenSUSE 13.1, they even took away the scrollbar and replaced
it with a page-selector widget. The entire design seems focused on
touchscreens.
> The only thing I absolutely hate about it is when a plugin dies, it
> crashes the entire session with an "Oh, no! Something happened!" and an
> option to log out. I would at /least/ like to save documents I have open
> before being forced to log out.
>
> Whoever thought that was a good idea spent far too much time dealing with
> systems where everything runs in ring 0 and an abend was generally
> considered a good thing. We're past those days now, and being able to
> recover, say, a running virtual machine might just be a /good/ thing.
I enjoy the way that you can enable and disable "GNOME shell
extensions". Except that an "extension" is merely some code that patches
the live JS code that powers the shell. When you disable one, THE
EXTENSION is responsible for undoing all of its changes. If it does this
incorrectly, then "disabling" a plugin does not put the system back into
its original state.
Hell, it's trivially possible to write an extension that installs itself
in the Init() function, and has EMPTY Enable() and Disable() functions!
In which case, enabling or disabling the extension is no-op.
People, THIS IS NOT SENSIBLE DESIGN!
Designing a system that is completely undocumented, yet can only be
extended by violating encapsulation to monkey-patch live code while it's
still running is a Bad Idea.
Designing a system where the plugin author is responsible for enabling
and disabling correctly is a Bad Idea.
Designing a system that's powered by an untyped psuedo-OO scripting
language originally intended for web development rather than desktop
applications is... questionable at best. :-P
Utterly failing to document one single shred of this is... exasperating
in the extremes!
Still, we found that once we (*cough* I *cough*) spent a few months
patching the code, we could get it to hobble along more or less how we
wanted. OTOH, if Win8 doesn't work how you like... suck it?
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Le_Forgeron <lef### [at] free fr> wrote:
> Le 07/04/2014 23:48, nemesis a écrit :
> > Got one these days for my daughter as well, a laptop. Most probably, the last
> > desktop computing device I'm buying. I have consoles for games and do pretty
> > much everything else on my android phone - of course, at work I still use a
> > handy "mainframe".
> >
> > I long for the day when you just get home, connect it to a TV set and bluetooth
> > input and is ready for "serious work". still not quite there, either in the
> > software landscape or ease for connection (still kinda clunky, with wires and
> > such)
> >
> >
> It's coming... hdmi plug, small usb cable for powersupply (as long as
> your tv as a usb port)
>
>
> > http://linuxgizmos.com/hdmi-stick-mini-pc-runs-android-on-quad-core-arm-cortex-a9/
>
> August 2013... the time has come!
quite cool but still not quite
on one side we have media streamers like Chromecast, AppleTV, Amazon FireTV
on the other we have devices like that, PCs in a thumbstick which will only
function when connected to a display
my smartphone already has a display! I just want to get home and easily connect
it to a larger display and keyboard.
Easy but not not cheap with bluetooth keyboards, cheap but clunky with miniUSB.
Kind clunky connecting to the TV because there's many ways: you can try to find
some hdmi cable to your device, or try to mirror some other way, and most ways
do nothing but just stream media. not cool
anyway, soon will be wearing pieces of interconnected devices. Have you guys
read Accelerando? :)
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On 08/04/2014 21:02, nemesis wrote:
> Have you guys
> read Accelerando?
Charles Stross. +1 :-)
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Regards
Stephen
I solemnly promise to kick the next angle, I see.
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> my smartphone already has a display! I just want to get home and easily connect
> it to a larger display and keyboard.
>
> Easy but not not cheap with bluetooth keyboards, cheap but clunky with miniUSB.
> Kind clunky connecting to the TV because there's many ways: you can try to find
> some hdmi cable to your device, or try to mirror some other way, and most ways
> do nothing but just stream media. not cool
I was under the impression that most android phones will work as USB
host, and also output HDMI on the same connector. Once you'd wired up a
USB hub, power, keyboard, mouse and HDMI connection can't you just leave
it all behind your TV, then when you come home just plug the single
connector into your phone?
Wouldn't the bigger problem be that the whole UI and most apps are
designed for a 400ppi display with multi-touch? I would have thought
using a mouse and large TV would be very frustrating on such a device.
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scott <sco### [at] scottcom> wrote:
> > my smartphone already has a display! I just want to get home and easily connect
> > it to a larger display and keyboard.
> >
> > Easy but not not cheap with bluetooth keyboards, cheap but clunky with miniUSB.
> > Kind clunky connecting to the TV because there's many ways: you can try to find
> > some hdmi cable to your device, or try to mirror some other way, and most ways
> > do nothing but just stream media. not cool
>
> I was under the impression that most android phones will work as USB
> host, and also output HDMI on the same connector. Once you'd wired up a
> USB hub, power, keyboard, mouse and HDMI connection can't you just leave
> it all behind your TV, then when you come home just plug the single
> connector into your phone?
>
> Wouldn't the bigger problem be that the whole UI and most apps are
> designed for a 400ppi display with multi-touch? I would have thought
> using a mouse and large TV would be very frustrating on such a device.
mouse? why would anyone want to go back using a mouse when they can directly
touch anywhere in the screen?
that's why wireless screen mirroring is the sweet goal: you still have your
device in your hand to act as a touchscreen remote controller.
what's wrong with that UI? isn't it so fine that Windows is emulating it? ;)
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On 09/04/2014 20:47, nemesis wrote:
> what's wrong with that UI? isn't it so fine that Windows is emulating it?;)
Boak!
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Regards
Stephen
I solemnly promise to kick the next angle, I see.
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