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On 27/08/2013 7:22 PM, Fractracer wrote:
> Yes, I know, but this DOS is not a real DOS, try to launh a program like
> Fractint, it can't run.
Yes, Fractint is 16 bit and support for that went out the window
(intended) quite a while ago. For the little it's worth. Somewhere I
have a calculator that boasts that it is 4 bit.
Another not interesting fact: It was when reading the Fractint
documentation, in '98, that I came across a reference to Pov-Ray. I
downloaded it and have never looked back.
While looking up Fractint, to check. I came across ChaosPro, Damn your
eyes (in the nicest possible way, of course ;-) ) and I have spent too
much time playing with it and still am.
--
Regards
Stephen
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On Tue, 27 Aug 2013 18:17:28 +0100, Orchid Win7 v1 wrote:
> If that's only the cut-down version, then why is all the marketing
> material based on it?
Because TIFKAM is where MS wants users to go. You don't market what you
don't want users to use, you market what you do want them to use.
Marketing 101.
Jim
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On Tue, 27 Aug 2013 14:22:31 -0400, Fractracer wrote:
> "Stephen" <mcavoys_AT_aolDOT.com> wrote:
>> "Fractracer" <lg.### [at] gmail com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> > I remember win95, a good user interface with DOS - where is DOS now?
>>
>> Hidden in the command prompt box: cmd.exe
>
> Yes, I know, but this DOS is not a real DOS, try to launh a program like
> Fractint, it can't run.
Try command.com instead. :)
Jim
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Fractracer <lg.### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
> Yes, but I remember that MS has developed a multi-task version of DOS.
What would be the point of that? Existing DOS programs wouldn't work on
it any better than they do under windows.
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- Warp
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Am 27.08.2013 20:30, schrieb Stephen:
> On 27/08/2013 7:06 PM, clipka wrote:
>> Actually that's by far the most useful one. Unfortunately it's not
>> available in all editions/versions - Windows 7 Pro doesn't have it, for
>> instance.
>
> It should be available by pressing Shift + Right Click. Or made
> permanent by editing the registry.
> http://blog.deepakazad.com/2012/04/permanently-enable-open-command-window.html
Gee, I've been using Windows for ages now, and I never knew that... you
live and learn.
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On 8/27/2013 6:45 AM, Francois Labreque wrote:
>>> Don't get me wrong, I have no problem with a simplified UI existing. If
>>> there's a product specifically for people who just want to surf the
>>> Internet and send a few emails, then that's great! What I object to is
>>> *me* being forced to use that same product.
>>
>> You do realise if you get the "desktop" version of Win8 you get the
>> standard Win7-like desktop too? It's only the "RT" version for low
>> powered mobile devices that consists solely of the new GUI.
>>
> Until 8.1 comes along and restores the "Start" button, you still have to
> switch to the Lego-block screen to start new apps, unless you have a
> shortcut on your desktop, which encourages clutter and everyone knows
> that Windows boot time (and refreshes when you quit a full screen app,
> such as a game) is proportional to the number of icons on your desktop.
>
Umm. Actually, no. I have it on my laptop, and maybe "apps" have that
problem, but regular applications do have a "desktop" and the normal
"start menu". I did, however, since it starts up at the damn fancy GUI
thing, take some time to work out how the hell to get my often used
applications there, and pull off some of the total garbage I didn't plan
to ever use. lol
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On 8/27/2013 3:31 AM, Stephen wrote:
> "Fractracer" <lg.### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
>
>>
>> I remember win95, a good user interface with DOS - where is DOS now?
>
> Hidden in the command prompt box: cmd.exe
>
>
>
>
Uh. No. That is a shell, yes, and it "sort of" works like DOS, but.. its
oddly missing like.. every single added program that ever came with, it,
including "basic" ones, like ways to make your "shell" wait for a
keypress, or any other damn thing at all. And, of course, since they
*don't* want you to actually use it, they never added in any of the
features that might have gotten into it (if they had stolen them from
say 4DOS, or others), before Win3.11 came around.
Good example - you are not supposed to use it, so, even "edit" doesn't
exist in it. But, the horrifying, and useless, method of echoing the
file to the console, still is (where as 4DOS had a command they has
added, which let you load the file, and page through it, as well as
search). DOS *never* could do that, and relied, instead, on using
"edit", which was just a form of qbasic, which had its interpreter
disabled, and all the related menu functions gutted out of it. lol
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Am 27.08.2013 23:19, schrieb Patrick Elliott:
> On 8/27/2013 3:31 AM, Stephen wrote:
>> "Fractracer" <lg.### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I remember win95, a good user interface with DOS - where is DOS now?
>>
>> Hidden in the command prompt box: cmd.exe
>>
>>
>>
>>
> Uh. No. That is a shell, yes, and it "sort of" works like DOS, but.. its
> oddly missing like.. every single added program that ever came with, it,
> including "basic" ones, like ways to make your "shell" wait for a
> keypress, or any other damn thing at all. And, of course, since they
> *don't* want you to actually use it, they never added in any of the
> features that might have gotten into it (if they had stolen them from
> say 4DOS, or others), before Win3.11 came around.
Well, they /did/ add support for blanks in command parameters at least.
And for long filenames, thank God and all the angels! (Cursed be every
piece of software that still makes any use of 8.3 filenames! - They're
/still/ in Windows for backward compatibility.)
As for them not wanting you to use it, what they do want you to use
nowadays is the PowerShell. Not that I've ever heard of anyone using it
to solve any scripting tasks though: They either seem to be using .bat
files for cmd.exe, or asking you to install python.
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On 27/08/2013 10:19 PM, Patrick Elliott wrote:
>
> Good example - you are not supposed to use it, so, even "edit" doesn't
> exist in it.
The 32 bit version still has edlin, though.
--
Regards
Stephen
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On 27/08/2013 9:44 PM, clipka wrote:
>>
>> It should be available by pressing Shift + Right Click. Or made
>> permanent by editing the registry.
>> http://blog.deepakazad.com/2012/04/permanently-enable-open-command-window.html
>>
>
> Gee, I've been using Windows for ages now, and I never knew that... you
> live and learn.
Yes you do. The number of people I see who lock their 'puter by
Ctrl+Alt+Del then L instead of Logo+L, are legion. For example.
--
Regards
Stephen
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